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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Gerhard Ebersoehn, Jun 29, 2015.

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  1. vooks

    vooks Active Member

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    What's so hard to understand here? You have been wandering in the wilderness of stupidity for 40years. Assuming you started at 25, that places you at 65. Hardly senile unless you force it

    You claim the women made TWO trips to the tomb, one at around midnight and the other several hours later towards morning

    If you could be kind enough to give the verse(s) for each visit, we can proceed. Otherwise you are dithering and wasting precious time. I don't want to guess what you mean so am inviting you to give us the verses.

    Here you have told us the midnight trip is referred to ONLY in Luke
    Do you still stand by this?
     
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    Gerhard, put differently,
    This is Gerhard's midnight trip, recorded NOWHERE else in the scriptures
    Luke 24:1-11(NKJV)
    1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”
    8 And they remembered His words. 9 Then they returned from the tomb and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them, who told these things to the apostles. 11 And their words seemed to them like idle tales, and they did not believe them.

    While this,
    Mark 16:1-8 (NKJV)
    1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.
    6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you.”
    8 So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

    And this
    Matthew 28:1-10 (NKJV)
    1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
    5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.”
    8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

    The Women Worship the Risen Lord
    9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me.”

    Form the early morning second visit

    Gerhard is this so?
    Is Luke 24:1-11 your 'midnight' first visit to the tomb BY THE WOMEN?
    Is Matthew 28:1-10 & Mark 16:1-8 your 'early morning' second trip BY THE WOMEN?
     
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  3. Gerhard Ebersoehn

    Gerhard Ebersoehn Active Member
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    Funny man,
    She is reporting TO them

    GE:

    You’re lying; she isn’t <<reporting to them>>; she is "speaking to them" / "with them" [‘legei autois’]— Mary spoke for all three of them.
     
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    Gerhard,
    Focus. We are analyzing your 'harmonization'

    Is Luke 24:1-11 your 'midnight' first visit to the tomb BY THE WOMEN?
    Is Matthew 28:1-10 & Mark 16:1-8 your 'early morning' second trip BY THE WOMEN?
     
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    You are a certified board idiot.
    WHY is she 'speaking with them'?
    Mary does not know where the body is
    Peter does not know where the body is
    John does not know where the body is
    What is the point of saying this? Why is she 'speaking with them'?

    Mary was no Boer, she had a brain
     
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  6. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Compare her WE with this,
    Luke 24:21 (KJV)
    But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
    What is WE here, is it the two and all disciples including the Stranger Jesus    ?

    GE:

    Your comparison and ‘question’ are irrelevant and a lying <report>. You fraud. The relevant ‘question’ to ask, would be, ‘Who is “we”, here?— Is it the two disciples telling or they and, the other disciples! And the answer is, They and, the other disciples because they all did not believe and as from one mouth said the women were telling them old wives’ tales. JUST LIKE Mary told Peter and John and spoke for all three of them when she said "WE, know not where they laid Him."
     
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    Certified board idiot.
    WHO had thought Jesus would redeem Israel, is it not ALL his disciples?
    WHO found an open sepulcher?

    How can Mary speak for the disciples not privy to a missing body?
    The disciple can speak for all because they SHARED that belief
     
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  8. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    At this point, according to your madness, only Mary had stumbled upon an empty tomb.

    GE:

    I never said <<Mary had stumbled upon an empty tomb.>> That is Vooks, again lying.

    Vooks:

    Only Mary could have concluded that Jesus' body was missing.

    GE:

    Only Mary and or anybody she had told about “the rolled away stone”.

    Vooks:

    But lo and behold, she utters the powerful plural pronoun WE. Tells me AT LEAST another individual was equally befuddled by a missing body. Who was it?

    GE:

    Good! Entangle yourself further and further in your own words. You already are so strangled you can only utter stuttering like here of the helpless and hopeless proud caught in his own high opinion of himself.
    The more of this the better, please keep bringing it on!

    Peter and John did not know that, the body was buried, or where, he was buried. But they were two other <individuals> who were equally <befuddled> by a “rolled away from the grave stone door”, that they like Mary, thought that “they must have laid Him elsewhere, but we do not know where”.
    If they <<KNEW the body was missing>>, they would not have thought that the body was laid somewhere else.
     
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    Never say never; I shall address you directly, dear Vooks, because this is a civilized and reasonable question.

    I request, that we start a new thread on this one, because it is not so simple as it may seem.

    Meantime, please read (my) Synopsis FROM THE FIRST VISIT, TO, AND, ESPECIALLY THE LAST.

    I must go now. DV I'll be back.

    Thank you

    PS Please get the thread started for us, please.

    Thanks.
     
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  10. vooks

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    Gerhard you are one irredeemably silly and dishonest primate with little regard for Holy Spirit inspiration

    The highlighted.
    HOW did they find their way to the tomb?
    John 20:3-4 (KJV)
    Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. 4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

    Did Mary give them the GPS coordinates?
    Or did they sprint after Mary?:tonofbricks:
     
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  11. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    You knew the answer. Why bothered asking me?

    If Mary did not <<give them the coordinates>>, how do YOU think they knew where the tomb was?

    . . . watch . . .
     
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