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What other unavoidable "God made me this way" quirk has God condemned?
Blindness? Blondness? Club foot? Deafness?
How about retardation? Autism? No?
Then why do people think he made folks this way then condemns them for being this way?
He does condemn them you know. Many times.
It doesn't matter what a pastor says or a priest or who ever. God says those who live sin with no repentance and he gives a list, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Religions accepting sin was foretold, and condemned in the last days as well. This is what was meant by itching ears preaching.

He even says, and such were some of you. Operative word, WERE. they turned from those things and fell in line with what God said to do.
Homosexuals can not continue in their lifestyle any more than a thief can continue in his life of thievery.

If anyone has issues with this, they have a heart issue with God. Because the bottom line is, it matters not what I say or what the pope says or Billy Graham or John Calvin might say. If anything we say departs from Bible, we are wrong.
All one needs to do is read the word and see what God says. He did not hide his decision on any sin. He did not change from making them male and female to now.

It saddens me to see the church openly accepting sin to save souls when the soul that is not repentant and willing to turn from a life of sin, is not saved at all. Even if they sit in a church pew every single day.

No one is perfect and all sin. There is no perfection here on earth. That doesn't mean we sit down on the battle field and say if you can't beat it accept it.

 

It appears that you do not have an understanding of the whole paragraph he wrote. Thus, you are applying your own "twist" to his words.

Everyone of us has something within this fleshly and fallen nature that tempts us more than others around us may be tempted. When satan brought sin into this world, he brought many types of corruption into this flesh, from the time of conception. Whether it's being born with a missing limb or an ongoing craving for double portions of meat and potatoes.

However, we still have God's promise that satan cannot tempt us with more than we can bear. We further have the promise that Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, will help us carry our load. If we let him.

Regardless of what satan has put upon us, we have a God given ability to withstand it, through His Son, our Saviour. That's as straight forward as a perfectly shaped board that emerges from my jointer and planer, out in the shop. There is no warp. Those machines remove it, just as the Holy Spirit can remove it from us. IF WE LISTEN. Those machines out in my shop, do nothing until, they are turned on and boards are run through them.

 

Matthew 7:1-5 - “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye...

v. 24 - Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Taken together, these verses, and the whole counsel of Jesus, what can we deduce?

1. You will be judged in the same manner that you judge others.

2. It is necessary to look at one's own flaws and sins first before trying to point out another's.

3. Jesus does NOT forbid all judging! We are apparently SUPPOSED to help others see their sin. given the rest of chapter 7, Jesus's counsel in v.1 cannot be take to exclude all judging, for he tells us to judge in verse 24. He elsewhere says you will "know them by their fruit." We are told to speak to one who sins against us, to restore one who is caught in a sin, to separate from church members who persist in unrepentant immorality. Of course, this should be done in love, with the ultimate goal of honoring God and pointing sinners toward Christ. But to exclude all judging is not biblical.

 

Can you apply this logic to every sin? If a man lives a heterosexual adulterous lifestyle, and becomes a Christian, does he immediately lose all lustful desire?
Does a drunkard lose all desire for alcohol? Does a hateful man never get angry again?
The testimony of scripture and of human experience is that even after conversion, temptation and desire for old sin remains, but we now have God's spirit to help us and teaches us to say no to temptation (Titus 2). If all desire for sin was gone, we would have nothing to say no to.

A person who has stolen most of their life may still have desire to steal things...but if they stop stealing, we no longer call them a thief...but a former thief...I would say it is the same with a homosexual. As I said earlier...they themselves and everyone else in the church needs to stop calling them a homosexual if they are committed to forsaking that lifestyle...even if temptations still exist.

 

homosexuality by its very nature though is against what God intended in the creation of man, so its existence is ONLY due to the fall, for if we were not cursed and under the effects of the fall, there not be any Homosexual people!

 

A homosexual person being asved byt eh lord same as all of us, in the sense that we ALL experience varying degrees of temptations after being saved, and they may well fight and struggle against the desires to maintian that behaviour, maybe even falling back at times, but still will see it iswrong and sinful, and will repent seek restoration from the lord and keep moving on maturing in Christ!

Some indeed get instantly delivered from that, many also do not, but his garce is sufficient!

 

they can and are saved by grace , its just that the Sin principle is still at work, and they can fall abck into that at times, but the forgiven seek the restoration of the lord, and desire to get the victory over that Sin area...

Alcoholics saved at times have 'gotten off the wagon", but they relaised they were saved and souhgt restoration, and wen ton livng for thre lord1

Have you attained sinless perfection yet?

 

Well I did this little thing called using God's word. Your dictionary speaks of attraction. And God's word doesn't say anything about attraction being sinful.

So you accept the world's common definition. I'm gonna stand on what God says, and HE hasn't said that attraction is sinful.

I wouldn't have you to use anything. You and so many others are dead set on demonizing homosexuals that you obviously don't care what God says or doesn't say on the issue.

And that again is why you keep getting this level of wickedness coming out of the Church on this issue and folks keep trying to brand it as Godliness.

Preach the WORD. And the WORD hasn't said or intimated that non-lustful attraction is sinful.

As I said before, there's much more to heterosexuality and homosexuality than having sex, and there are many more layers to attraction than just sex.

 

We ALL are sinners before holy God!

be careful how you judge them, for God shall judge you in the same measure, and NONE of us are perfect yet!

 

He saved me a liar and I still tell lies.
He saved me a coveter and I still covet.

The list is LONG as I'm sure it is for every Christian.

Jesus can absolutely take away desires. But from past experience with people, I've sen where God often saves people and leaves the desire. And it is used to His glory because they grow in faith and become more dependent upon HIM. And then they've got a testimony of faith, that may not sound as exciting as He took it all away overnight, but a testimony that speaks to the great number of people who do still struggle after being saved.

I don't know how yall keep saying what Jesus won't do when He does the very thing every day.

Jesus sees them as saved and sanctified as they are washed in His blood. But that has NOTHING to do with the frailties of what sinful flesh may still struggle with.

 

So if all are cursed, why separate the homosexuals? they are no more cursed than the next sinful man.

we could just as easily say that heterosexual fornication and adultery by their very nature go against what God intended in the creation of man.
It's not the orientation according to God's word. It's the specific acts.

He says to not do certain things and when we go against that, it is sinful.

 

You're so dead-set on your viewpoint being correct that you don't even recognize when you're wrong.

Matthew 5:8 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Seeing as Jesus identified looking with desire was the same as committing adultery ... God's Word actually does say something about attraction being sinful.

Again, you're so dead-set on being right that you use hyperbole. You apparently have a different conception about how scripture defines things. For any discussion to be productive, each side has to come to an agreement on the terms used, or at least agree what each side means when they use those terms. You haven't set up this discussion for a debate or learning opportunity; you want people to accept your viewpoint and definitions, and deny their viewpoints and definitions.

In your own way, you're just as bad as the people you're arguing against.

What, exactly, is "non-lustful attraction"?

 

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The opening post, and the point of the thread, is about how to treat homosexuals. How many times do people have to tell you that they treat unrepentent murderers, liars, thieves, fornicators, adulterers, et al, the same as they treat unrepentent homosexuals? As someone said about 25 pages ago, if you want to discuss how to treat unrepentent murderers, adulterers, fornicators, etc., feel free to start a new thread. We'll be happy to tell you there that we treat them the same as we treat unrepentent homosexuals.

I believe you can be a Christian who struggles with homosexuality, just as you can struggle with any other sin. I don't believe you can be a Christian who continues with your sin, thinking that you're saved so it's okay, that you should be accepted because you're a Christian while continuing with your sin, and labeling yourself as a <whatever sin> Christian.

If your church isn't preaching enough about the other sins, come on over to mine. I'll even buy lunch.

 

god did not 'wire' them to have that mindset and attraction, but being in a sinful world, under the judgement of God from the fall did!

Did you have ANY sin areas you experienced before/after saved?

 

Where is the like button?

 

indeed, homosexual/liars/fornicators, we ALL were somewhere in the list atone time before god, have been saved and washed by the blood of the lamb!

Does NOT mean that from that point forward will never sin, its just that their nature is now not to sin, and they will have a repentant spiirt/seek restoration/forgiveness, and keep moving forward!

BIG difference between a gay person saying God made me this way, i am saved, god wants me to keep going on this way...

From, I was one a gay person, jesus saved me, and trhough I still am tempted, and at time stil fail, I know that I need to seek the restoration and forgivness of god, and keep on going forward!

 

You misunderstood me! I was saying that due to the curse of the fall, there was sin enetering into creation, and so things such as Homosexual desires/attraction permitted to occur!

God original intent was for all to be 'straight' as one man for one woman in relationship, but the fall and sin caused unnatural attractions and desires to necome part of fallen man!

So the homosexual person though is still saved the same way as the straight, by the grace of god thru the Cross of christ!

 

if you lusted after you neighbors wife, that would be natural lust, condemned bythe bible as being sinful

A woman lusting after your neighbors wife, while also a sinful attraction, would also be "unnatural"