how Should we define what is Heresy?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    its NOT various eschatological/Sotierology viewpoints is it?

    has to be something seperate than that, right?
     
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    A false doctrine, or practice which opposes orthodoxy. A false teacher may teach correct doctrine and live a lie.
     
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    for example, neither holding to calvinism or arminianism is a heresy, but todeny original Sin, and hold that we can freely choose Jesus apart from any work of God is?
     
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    So say holding to pre/post/A mil views acceptable, but deny second coming, or that it already happened, would be heresy ?
     
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    Denying a literal and physical future return of Jesus is heresy.
     
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    I do not generally discuss a point of view but rather the scripture their view came from.
     
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    The axiom, "History is writing by the victors" is pretty much true. Heresy is whatever a governing body determines it to be. When something is labeled as heresy it helps to consider the source. Is it the Roman church labeling justification by faith alone as heresy? Most Protestants would reject that label.
     
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    Yep - us Protestants were born out of "heresy." :) Baptist theology was "heresy" to the Reformed and Lutherans. I believe true heresy to be beliefs that are contrary to the actual Gospel - beliefs that are contrary to salvation.
     
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    Yes, the principle is quite simple. "Heresy" is largely in the eye of the beholder. There would be a few essentials that all of christianity would agree upon. From there the Protestants vs. Roman Catholics would have different "lists" of heresy. The Eastern Orthodox vs. Roman Catholics would have different lists as well. Then among protestants, the denominations would have even longer and more refined lists. Even within denominations sub groups would label various beliefs and positions of others as heresy.
     
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    I would generally agree but the "standard" is always being challenged by the dissidents. For example I recently read the book "You Mean I Don't Have to Tithe?: A Deconstruction of Tithing and a Reconstruction of Post-Tithe Giving" by David A. Croteau. In the book he traces tithing and giving down through history. Too often a particular theology is promoted out of convenience and greed/need rather than a serious study of what scripture teaches. Then it is finally challenged and doomed or promoted more by the politicians of religious leaders.
     
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    The issue has always been what is the standard for "orthodoxy"? Some cite the earliest creeds and/or confessions of faith.

    However, it always will come back to the Scriptures and what the Scriptures clearly cite as non-negotiables and what the Scriptures demand has no alternatives (e.g. "except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish" etc.). The "must" statements of Scripture (e.g. "ye MUST be born again"). Or negatively what the Scriptures outright delcare to be false doctrines (1 Jn. 4:2-4; etc.).

    But, then those who teach the very things the Scriptures condemn provide "interpretations" to deny their false teachings are what the scriptures condemn. Hence, utter confusion is presented to the common person observing Christendom.

    Rome handles this problem of confusion by asserting apostolic authority through the Catholic Church and its counsels and traditions. Others handle this problem by their own declarations of faith and practice.

    The truth is that no denomination or person in history knows and embraces all truth.

    The Scriptures assert that the final authority for truth is the scriptures (Isa. 8:20; 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:19-21) and so we can discount all who deny this basic principle (Rome, Mormon's, World religions, etc.).

    Jesus declares there are two basic ways into which all religious people and their system of teachings will fit (Mt. 7:13-14) and the "broad way" is where the "many" and all false teachers fit (Mt. 7:15-20).

    Hence, another basic principle is that "orthodoxy" and those who embrace it will be in the minority not the majority. Significantly, the Lord's emphasis in Matthew 7:13-23 is not on those religions that do not profess his name (Mt. 7:21-23) but on those who do profess his name.

    Another basis prinicple about those who are in the majority is that they include those who persecute and kill other professing Christians (Jn. 16:1-4; Mt. 5:10-11) and/or make unholy all unions (fornication) with the state governments (Rev. 17:1-5).

    Another very basic of Biblical orthodoxy is its repeated limiations on "one way" to God (Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12) and that any other gospel of salvation (Gal. 1:6-9) is accursed. Many embrace many gospels (Old Testament gospel versus N.T. gospel, kingdom gospel versus post-Pentecost gospel, post-Pentecost gospel versus tribulation gospel; etc.).
     
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    Or to quote the great theologian, Forrest Gump:

    "Heresy is as heresy does."
     
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    :)... I love that character of Forest Gump. I live near "Greenbow" Alabama.
     
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    Would you agree that one can hold to differing viewpoints in regards to say eschatology , as we can be pre/post/mid/a mil, but cannot den=y theliteral second coming though?

    same fashion, can disagree on Sotierology, as we can be calvinistic/Arminian, but cannot be ones that would be denying original Sin, and cannot hold to free will of man as what saves us?

    that within orthodoxy can be varying shades of doctrine, some more "biblically riht " thn others, but cannot go off into not ortthodox areas?

    And that Catholics and other holding to extra biblical authorityand sacramental graces are really teach outside orthodox, and another Gospel?
     
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    Chapter and verse please.
     
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    Are you saying thre Bible does not teach a literal physical returning of jesus, and that when that happens, we shall be risen glorified as he is, our physical bodies shall be tranformed at that time?

    How can you state that has ever happened?
     
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    For starters, I am just asking for Biblical proof of what has been previously asserted. How is that not a reasonable request?

    Biblical discussions and debate require a Biblical foundation, not contemporary or cultural notions of what is or isn't heresy.
     
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    The Lord jesus shall return from heaven, and there will be the resurrection of the saved in Christ, living and dead ay that time!

    Did that happen in AD 70?
     
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    He is a preterist.
     

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