How to defeat the EIREITAD heresy!

skypair,

If you don't like the way mod's are running the BB, start yer own forum board.

 

Bildad the Shuhite (shoe height)

 

I can't help it if your dictionary is busted.

 

Which, if you would actually read what was written is precisely what I have said. The person who is born from above sees the Kingdom. They're in the family. Period. Forever and ever.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

There! I fixed so the Bible now agrees with you! It now has nothing to do with the Kingdom.

Now is the only time you can be saved. After you're dead, it's too late. That's not what judgment is about, though. Judgment has to do with our works, not whether or not we're saved.

So, are you saying that seeing and entering something are exactly the same thing?

 

Amen.

You forgot redefining eternal as 1,000 years, and I'm sure there are plenty more redefinitions.

I'm glad you're tackling this for the sake of orthodoxy and (more important) for the sake of Christ.

 

Lacy, a direct quote with the URL provided is not putting words into anyone's mouth. Again I state to you in my own words the problem:
"You have to do something to be born again" (John 3:5) Now that is what was said (from memory). Why deny it. Why infer that I am lying when I quoted it, provided the URL, and took you to the exact post. Any statement that says that one has to do something to be born again is a works salvation denying faith and grace. Those are the logical outcomes.
Now if ME people have changed theological terms, changed meanings of words, so that we are now speaking right past each other than we have a problem. You might as well go and write your own Bible. We use orthodox terminology which you can find in any standard Bible dictionary--not a "Joey Faust website dictionary." I never misquoted anyone. How could that be.
If what the poster meant was different than what he wrote then he has a problem with communication, not me. I know the meaning of the new birth. I wasn't the one that made the statement. If HOG made a false statement, an ambiguous statement, then he should admit it. But if he actually believes in the statement that he made it is theologically incorrect and espouses a works salvation. It is as simple as that. To wiggle out of that you (people) try and change definitions of words. That is all there is to it. But if you are honest with the theological definitions of words then HOG will have to admit that he made a statement that is theologcially incorrect.

Most definitions can be found within the Bible itself. Beyond that they can be found in a Greek lexicon, and then the use of a Bible dictionary or even encyclopdia. We don't need a man-made definition from some-one else's religion.

As I explained above a quote with a URL attached cannot be a misquote. It was an exact quote with the context provided. It was quoted many times. If he calls me a liar on that then he only proves the opposite.

As I have already seen, you read what you want to read. You read into things. Tozer preaches on accountability and you read into it, first the JSOC, and then mistakenly conclude ME, and other erroneous doctrines. It is ridiculous on how you defend an unbiblical doctrine.

 

Instead of saying that I said something that I never said, why not show why you think that seeing and entering are the same thing?

That would avoid the dishonesty.

 

They are not the same. Go back and check post #206. You are the one misquoting it. That is not what HOG said. He put no such caveat that you deceitfully added on. His actual quote was

And that is no lie.

The lie comes in Lacy, when you have added those words:
"I consider that heresy. Salvation is by grace through faith."

They were NOT in the original quote, which still stand on post #206. Read it for yourself. I do not lie.

 

Due to the last many many pages that have gone way off topic, and have turned more into name calling than actual debate this thread will be closed. Besides it has reached 27 pages (almost 30) and has run its course. Please do not start another one, but post on one of the many that already exist on Kingdom Theology or ME doctrine, whatever name you wish to call it.