How To Get To Heaven When You Die

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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

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  2. NO

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  3. I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST BEFORE

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  4. OTHER

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  1. xfrodobagginsx

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    PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES.

    ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

    There are some things that you should know:

    1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

    Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

    Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

    This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

    2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:

    Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

    Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."

    Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

    3. If you will Admit to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, Believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and Accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be forgiven and taken to heaven to be with Him when you die.

    Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”

    Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

    You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your trust in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

    Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

    DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS?

    ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN TO JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION?

    4. If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe it with all of your heart, you could pray something like this to God from your heart:

    "Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

    If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven.

    Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
     
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    Greetings xfrodobagginsx,

    I voted "other" as I do not believe that the faithful will go to heaven at death or at the return of Jesus. I look forward to being raised from the dead at the return of Jesus, or changed if alive at that time, when Jesus comes to establish his kingdom upon the earth for 1000 years Isaiah 2:1-5, Micah 4:1-8, Zechariah 14, Acts 3:19-21.

    Kind regards
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    Christians Do go to heaven:
    Mr 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
    2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    (KJV)
    Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
    22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
    23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
    24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
    People in heaven:
    Re 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
    (KJV)
    Jesus Christ is going to rule and reign on the earth. The believers will be with Him on the earth at that time. Right now believer's go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus Christ because that is where He is.
    Jesus Christ is God:
    1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    (KJV)

    Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
    John declares Him to be God:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    (KJV)
    Jesus declares Himself God by calling Himself I am time and time again:

    Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
    (KJV)

    I am is God's name.
    This prophecy of Jesus's first comming shows that He is God. Who has been from everlasting except God?
    Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. {everlasting: Heb. the days of eternity}
    Jesus Knows all things proving that He is God:
    Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
    Joh 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    (KJV)
     
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    Greetings again xfrodobagginsx,

    I assume that your statements and your list of quotations are in response to my Post and also your assessment of my position on other subjects. As we may have discussed some of this previously and also because I have answered some of your suggestions in other threads I will try to be brief.
    Yes Jesus has ascended to heaven and is seated at God’s right hand . The hope of the believer is for the return of Jesus from heaven.
    Acts 3:19-21 (KJV): 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
    When Paul was about to depart, he did not state that he was about to go to heaven, but spoke of the return of Jesus to give him a crown of righteousness at that time:
    2 Timothy 4:1 (KJV): I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
    2 Timothy 4:6-8 (KJV): 6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.


    This is recognised by most scholars as spurious.
    These prove that Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Son.
    You need to consider ALL the “I AM” passages in John’s Gospel, and many of them have “I am he”. I believe that Exodus 3:14 should be translated “I will be” as per Tyndale’s translation.

    Yes, God always foresaw the birth of Jesus.
    Jesus was given this knowledge and ability by God His Father. The following is an example of God giving Jesus knowledge of things to come, and this was after he had ascended to heaven and seated at the right hand of God, His Father:
    Revelation 1:1 (KJV): The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    Kind regards
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    Please, I don't want to get to heaven when I die!

    I want to sleep my life being hid with Christ in God and rest in the hope of the resurrection of life and everlasting life on the New Earth at his coming.

    Please!
     
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    Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll.
     
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    Are you saying that you believe in soul sleep?
     
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    Yeah Trevor, i agree
     
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    Greetings again xfrodobagginsx,

    Your question is ambiguous because it can suggest that the “soul” is a separate entity, assumed to be the immortal part of man that continues on after the death of the body. The Biblical definition of soul is given in:
    Genesis 2:7 (KJV): And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    Thus the whole of man, his body, brain and thinking is his soul, “a living soul” and when he dies he beomes a dead soul.

    Because of sin Adam and Eve were sentenced to death and this is described as returning to the dust:
    Genesis 2:17 (KJV): But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    Genesis 3:19 (KJV): In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


    The cherubim were placed at the East of the Garden of Eden to prevent Adam and Eve seizing the fruit from the Tree of Life and as a result living for ever.
    Genesis 3:22-24 (KJV): 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

    The grave could not hold Jesus because of God’s love and fellowship with him and because he had done no sin and the power of the law of sin and death introduced in Eden had been broken:
    Psalm 16:8-11 (KJV): 8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. 9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell(or the grave); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
    There was thus a reversal of the condemnation placed upon Adam in Genesis 3:19, and Jesus would see no corruption, or return to the dust, but was raised from the tomb on the third day.

    Those who have believed the Gospel of the Name and the Kingdom of God will await in the graves until the return of Jesus to establish His Kingdom upon the earth. At that time they will awake from their “sleep” in the dust.
    Daniel 12:2-3 (KJV): 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    So to answer your question: No, I do not believe in “soul sleep”, but I believe in the resurrection of the DEAD.

    Kind regards
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  12. xfrodobagginsx

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    The three Parts of Man:


    Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1:26-27 NASB)

    According to the Bible, mankind is distinct from all the rest of creation, including the animals, in that he is made in the image of God. As God is a tripartite -- Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- so man is three parts -- body, soul and spirit. In the most explicit example from Scripture of these divisions, the Apostle Paul writes:

    Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23 NASB).

    Man is made up of physical material, the body, that can be seen and touched. But he is also made up of immaterial aspects, which are intangible -- this includes the soul, spirit, intellect, will, emotions, conscience, and so forth. These immaterial characteristics exist beyond the physical lifespan of the human body and are therefore eternal.

    These immaterial aspects -- the spirit, soul, heart, conscience, mind and emotions -- make up the whole personality. The Bible makes it clear that the soul and spirit are the primary immaterial aspects of humanity, while the body is the physical container that holds them on this earth.

    The Body (Greek, "soma")

    This is the entire material or physical structure of a human being -- it is the physical part of a person.

    The Apostle Paul, writing to the Romans again connects the body, the mind (soul) and the spirit.

    Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect (Romans 12:1-2 NASB).

    For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body (1 Cor. 6:20).

    The Soul (Greek, "psyche")

    Genesis 2:7 states that Man was created as a "living soul." The soul consists of the mind (which includes the conscience), the will and the emotions. The soul and the spirit are mysteriously tied together and make up what the Scriptures call the "heart."

    The writer of Proverbs declares, " Watch over your heart with all diligence, for from it flow the springs of life." (Prov. 4:23 NASB). We see here that the "heart" is central to our emotions and will.

    But a natural (psuchikos -- soulish) man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Cor. 2:14 NASB).

    Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, "Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day" (Acts 23:1 NASB).

    The Spirit (Greek " Pneuma")

    In Numbers 16:22, Moses and Aaron, "…fell upon their faces and said, 'O God, God of the spirits of all flesh, when one man sins, will you be angry with the entire congregation?'" This verse names God as the God of the spirits that are possessed by all humanity. Notice also that it mentions the flesh (body) of all mankind, connecting it with the spirit.

    Another key verse that describes the separation between soul and spirit is Hebrews 4:12:

    For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Heb. 4:12 NASB).

    We see in this passage of Scripture that the soul and spirit can be divided -- and that it is the Word of God that pierces our heart to bring the division of soul and spirit, something that only God can do.

    As human beings, we live eternally as a spirit, we have a soul, and we dwell in a body. We can rejoice with the Psalmist and declare,

    For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, and my soul knows it very well (Ps. 139:13-14 NASB).
     
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    Greetings again xfrodobagginsx,
    There is no evidence to claim that God is tripartite in Genesis 1:26 and as a result this does not form the basis to claim that man is tripartite. Yes man was made in the image and after the likeness of God, but the Biblical theme established on this Scripture talks about the ultimate moral likeness that the faithful will attain to, completed at the resurrection 1 John 3:1-3.

    The Scripture does not speak of “immortal souls”, but teaches that the soul is mortal.

    The mind is a part of the body. If you hit your head against a brick wall your mind becomes unconscious and if you hit it too hard you will die and the mind fails completely. The mind needs blood and oxygen to function.

    You are not using the Biblical definition of “a living soul” in Genesis 2:7 correctly. The same terms are used for the animals in Genesis 1. They also are living souls or creatures. You are superimposing your immortal soul theology onto Genesis 2:7.

    We live because God sustains us by His Spirit. The reference to soul and spirit in Hebrews 4:12 is speaking of the Word of God being able to separate that which arises out of the thoughts of man and that which is in his heart as the result of the Spirit. Please consider the usage of the word “soul” or “soul” in cognate form in the following:
    James 3:15 (KJV): This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
    1 Corinthians 15:42-49 (KJV): 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    Paul uses Genesis 2:7 in a different way to your exposition. The natural or soulical body dies. The soul dies, the soul is mortal, a dead soul. Paul does not teach the immortality of the soul, but the resurrection of the DEAD.

    Kind regards
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    Story of Angel and Cousin Sarah


    Several years ago, My cousin was playing with a lighter in his bedroom. He caught a newspaper or comic book or something on fire and threw it on his bed. There were several people sleeping there. The whole house went up in flames. Everyone got out except for my 3 year old cousin sarah. They had written her off as dead. The whole house was in flames and filled with smoke. An off duty fireman happened to be driving by and saw the smoke. He stopped to help. He looked into the bedroom window and saw her sitting under the window with her hands on her head. He pulled her out and she was burned and has some scars to this day. He asked her how she knew to come over to that window and sit on the ground. She said that the man in the fire told her "Don't be afraid, to go over to the window sit down and put your hands over your head and face". Years later, she recounted her story with me. She said that the man had no face, light shining from it, he was 3 feet tall and dressed in white. He was floating in the corner of the room. My Grandparents were deeply committed Christians. Often times my Grandmother would be up all night, having trouble sleeping, praying for the safety of the family. At the same exact time that the fire was going on, my grandmother was several miles away sleeping in her bed. She heard a voice that told her "There's been a fire, Liz and the kids got out ok". A few minutes later, my Grandfather got the call on the phone "There's been a fire, liz and the kids got out ok" He tried to tell her what they said, but she already knew. The reason that God Spoke to her, I believe, is because it was HER prayer that the Lord was answering. Otherwise, my cousin would have died in the fire.
     
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    Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll.
     
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    What do you place your beliefs upon?
     
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    What if a person meant it with all their heart once, but then later in life decides it's just a bunch of bunk?
     
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    I voted "other' because Jesus Christ saved me, period. My soul will go to be with Jesus Christ when this body of flesh dies unless Jesus Christ returns first.

    Whether Jesus Christ returns and this mortal and corruptible body becomes immortal and incorruptible or whether this happens at the resurrection when HE return I will ever be with the Lord Jesus Christ on the New Heavens and New Earth.

    As far as the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ on this fallen earth that is false doctrine. The reign of the Triune GOD in the New Heavens and New Earth is eternal.

    It appears that we have some who believe in the heretical doctrine of soul sleep. The Scriptures prove this doctrine is heretical in a number of places. If any of these heretics are members of the Watchtower Society {Jehovah's witnesses} they should not be on this Forum, Baptist Board.
     
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    Greetings OldRegular,

    I believe that Jesus will reign upon this earth from literal Jerusalem for 1000 years. The change from the kingdoms of men to the Kingdom of God at the return of Jesus, together with the physical changes to this earth at that time (E.g. The elevation of Mount Zion in Isaiah 2:1-4, the earthquake mentioned in Zechariah 14, and the desert blossoming as in Isaiah 35) is described in figurative language as a New Heavens and a New Earth. The believer’s hope is to share with Jesus, the Son of God, the Son of the One God, the Father, in that age.

    I explained my view of the term “soul sleep” in Post #11. I believe that when we die we return to the dust, waiting for the resurrection at the return of Jesus. I am not a JW and disagree with them in many or most of their teachings.

    Kind regards
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