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How would you feel about a Sarah Palin Presidency?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JustChristian, Sep 27, 2008.

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  1. She'd be a great President

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  2. It would be a disaster worse than Bush

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  3. She'd be OK

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  1. Major B

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    There never has been a time when the Law could be there, even part of the time.

    An armed society is a polite society.
     
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  2. KenH

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    I hope not. I like having the best college football conference, the SEC, having the national champion year after year. :)
     
  3. LeBuick

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    You cracked me up.... And what's this deal with having a passport? Do passports make you an expert on foreign policy?
     
  4. LeBuick

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    There are clearly more differences than that... :laugh: :wavey:
     
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    Wait a minute....a guy sells his shotgun to his neighbor, and the neighbor's kid takes it and kills someone in a dope deal.....you would seek the death penalty for the guy who sold it?


    To me this is the problem, we keep trying to regulate the sale and ownership of guns when we ought to be prosecuting the misuse of guns to the fullest extent of the law. To me, how a person obtains a gun is totally irrelevent...it is how he uses that weapon that concerns me. Prosecute the abuser to the fullest extent of the law, and forget about sales restrictions. When they restrict the ownership of guns by law abiding citizens, it doesnt stop the criminal from obtaining them, it just makes criminals out of folks that have no criminal intent.

    AJ
     
  6. LeBuick

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    That's not true at all, we just see the horrid outcome of guns in the wrong hands.

    i did a funeral last year of a young boy killed in a drive by. That funeral stays with me and haunts my thoughts. And what about the kids who find the gun in the house and kill themselves on accident?

    Guns are in the second amendment so there is no way the Dems can take them away. I guess we just want to see guns more responsibly owned.
     
  7. ajg1959

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    I dont have a passport...so dont ask me?????:laugh:

    AJ
     
  8. KenH

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    Alabama 31, Georgia 0 and the first half ain't over. Wow!
     
  9. ajg1959

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    I think the difference is how we are raised. When I was growing up, there were like 15 guns in our house. After my 13th birthday, my guns were in a gun rack over my headboard in my bedroom.

    But we were taught to respect guns and not play with them. it would have taken only incident or the rumor thereof for my fahter to take my guns away.

    Actually when I was 16 I drove home from school one day (after late football practice), and my father and my brother were out in the field digging. I went inside and immediately noticed that all of my guns were missing from my gunrack in my room. Mom sat me down and told me that our neighbor had shot and killed my dog, and that Dad was burying him. He took my guns to make sure I didnt overreact...but I got them back in a few days.....

    My point is this, we, as kids were taught a respect of guns, kids today are taught to fear them.

    AJ
     
  10. LeBuick

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    Good example and another reason I find Obama view good, he wants both sides to sit down and see how we can have our cake and eat it to.


    This is where I disagree. We currently prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. All we've done is glorified prison stays and have done nothing to threaten those with the guns. These young gang bangers don't expect to live to be 18 and you in no way scare them with a law. Their very existence is illegal. I believe we must go after the person who gave them the gun but we must make sure we don't mistakenly prosecute the person in your above example.

    I believe there is a solution where law abiding citizens can own, sell and buy guns while denying guns to those who should not have them. I don't have the solution and Obama admittedly doesn't either. But he wants to have both sides sit down at the table of problem solving so we can come to a solution that works in the inner city while protecting the second amendment rights of the law abiding citizens.
     
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    I think you have a profound point, you were taught to respect guns and the proper safe use along with the responsibility of having the power to kill. Most of these young gang bangers are from broken homes and never learned to value life. After initiation they manage to become armed and not told one word about safety. The later is a dangerous combination.
     
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    Let me tell you something...down here in the south, the law is sometimes as crooked as the folks they are supposed to be catching.

    Let one of these good ole boy deputys down here mistake you for someone else, and see if they dont rough you up. And then, when they realize that they made a mistake, they trump up lots of resisting arrest, assault on an officer, and obstructing justice charges so that they can force you to drop any complaints against them in exchange for them not prosecuting you on charges that are fake to begin with. Boy, that was a long sentence.

    Anyway, sometimes the help you call for is more dangerous than the folks you called them on.

    And, if it is a call to a violent crime, they sometimes will take their time and get there late so as to not endanger themselves.

    I think when it comes to my family, I am better off protecting them myself rather than to depend on authorities that show up late, or that are corrupt.

    AJ
     
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    ajg1959 said:
    AMEN! It is already against the law to shoot someone. Prosecute the shooter, not the one who provided the gun to the shooter. One exception to what aj said, though. Theft of a weapon should also be prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

    BTW, "assault weapons" are also highly regulated by the Federal gun laws. Very few true "assault weapons" exist in the hands of law-abiding citizens. No reason to prosecute sellers UNLESS they violate those federal laws. Once again, prosecute the ones who BREAK the law, not those who OBEY the law.

    I grew up with weapons in the house, and with a father who taught me how to properly use those weapons. The first thing I was taught was to NEVER point the gun at something unless I was going to kill it. I have fired a rifle only twice (other than on a military firing range), and both times I took home some wonderfully tasty meat!

    Side story: When I had to qualify on the M-16 in the USAF, I barely passed the firing test, after which I had my eyes checked. I found out I have dry eye, which was affecting my shooting. I told the doctor and the firing instructor that I would not be aiming at and firing at a target for five or ten shots. One shot would do fine! I am very glad to say I have never needed to think about shooting a fellow human being.

    Bill :godisgood:
     
  14. Major B

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    Real Gun Control...

    Real Gun Gontrol is controlling your gun:

    Walking properly with it--properly slung, properly shouldered, or carried in the ready position. Unless you are in combat, on patrol, or a Law Enforcement officer on a search, move with your weapon unloaded.

    Walking properly in the rain--slung upside down so that the water does not get in the barrel.

    Properly and safely crossing a fence row with your weapon--clear it, and carefully slide it under the fence, facing away from your line of walking, then cross to the opposite side as the trigger. Re-clear the weapon, insuring no obstructions.

    Always be aware of where the barrel of your gun is pointing--it should never point at buildings or people.

    Even if you just cleared your weapon, you always consider a weapon to be loaded.

    And, of course, the most important element of gun control is to hit what you intend to hit, and effectively enough that a second shot is not required.

    These are just some of the items that I learned at my daddy's knee.

    I have a security system which involves a diverse arsenal deployed in a stratgic manner. Option 1, by the way is me holding a military weapon with a fixed bayonet. Since civilians are usually terrified of bayonets, I am sure that will do the trick.
     
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    You bring back memories of my daddy. He used to count out the shells he would give me. The limit for squerrils was 8 a day, so he would give me 8 shells. He said I didnt need to be "shootin' the woods up"

    Mama's rule was that the animals close to the house were her pets, and that she would cook anything we brought home as long as we killed it far enough away from the house that she couldnt hear the shot.

    Well, mama had a garden and the deer kept eating it, and one morning about dawn, we were all woken up by a gunshot inside of the house. We all ran to the kitchen, and there was Mom standing just inside the back door with a smoking shotgun in her hands, and a deer was out there in her garden on his back giving his last few kicks.....I guess Moms have a right to change their own rules...LOL

    Ok, back to the topic.....I think Sarah Palin would protect our gun rights if she were to become president...I am not sure obama or Biden would.

    AJ
     
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    Agreed....when the fathers are either irresponsible or absent, it is hard for us to expect the kids to be responsible. And the culture they live in today promotes irresponsibility.

    AJ
     
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    What a ridiculous statement. Obama had the votes. Pure and simple. If Hilary had carried the fight to the convention floor she wouldn't have gained anything and would have hurt the Democratic party. Why do you claim otherwise?
     
  18. Major B

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    As for Palin, since she is pro-life, she automatically has a moral advantage over those who are not. Her cool reaction to the lies and worse lies leveled at her and her family speaks well of her character.
     
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    I dont have a bayonet (although I'd like one), but I do have a 12 gauge and a confederate sword. Usually, even in the dark, folks recognize the sound of a Remington 870 being pumped.

    AJ
     
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    Yes, Sarah Palin would help protect the rights of gun owners. She is a life long member of the NRA.
     
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