Humanism of arminianism

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  1. Jarthur001

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    I want feedback on a old classic work by OB Mink.

    From the Humanism of Arminianism....

    More to come...
     
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    I am a Calvinist... for those who know me both on this board and off, they would agree.

    However, I found this article fallacious.

    First, you call Arminianism as humanistic and to prove your point you define Arminianism to be humanistic. This is circular reasoning and should be rejected even if you strongly disagree with Arminianism, as I do. Rather, while I do believe Arminianism could be dangerous and I would agree with Spurgeon on their problems (especially in the Downgrade articles), I think we have better evidence than engaging in circular reasoning. As well, I would encourage you to read the Remonstrance, as this article, written by Arminianists before Dordt, would help you to understand what they actually believe and other mischaracterizations would be dismissed.

    I would rather argue on what they actually believe and say because I believe the Bible clearly teaches they are wrong. I reject trying to build up strawment and circular reasoning to defeat them because this does not help the debate.
     
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    Maybe you should wait and see if he can prove it.

    BTW...again its not my words. Mink wrote this years ago.

    also...I live about 30 miles from you.

    Peace
     
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    OB Mink goes on...

    From the Humanism of Arminianism....


     
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    In the long quote given in the preceding post is the sentence:

    I feel this is quite in error. As far as determination is concerned Calvinism is at its extreme as I do not believe this is what arminianism says. I would like your take on the quote where Peter Drucker said in his book The End of Economic Man: A Study of the New Totalitarianism

    I am mulling over this quote/idea and do not have a strong opinion one way or the other. What is your take on this quote?
     
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    I wonder at what point people on this board are going to begin realizing that:

    a. There are more options than Calvinist/Reformed or Armininian

    b. Our enemy is not those on the other (perceived) side...but is sin of pride and arrogance of conceit and unwillingness to feed the poor, clothe the nak3d, and shelter the homeless...
     
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    Amen and Amen.
     
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    My opinion on the article? Opinions are like nostrils.

    I would challenge the administrators and moderators on this board to chime in on whether such a view is questioning the salvation of others and will be tolerated.

    James, do you think he proved it? Do you agree with him?
     
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    Sometimes I get the idea that this becoming "CalvinistrUS.com." I for one find the premise of this thread to be highly insulting and inflammatory.

    Arminianism, like Humanism is a religion without the God of the Bible,.... If that isn't denying the salvation of those who don't fully buy into author's point of view then I don't know what is.
     
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    Interesting.....do you do all that in your church...if so I applaud you. I see Catholics doing that all the time.
     
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    I'm not sure why you would call for this being that you say you are not Arminian nor a Calvinist, yet you allow and even partake in attacking Calvinist, but seem upset over this.

    I didn't see you make a stand when other bad over stepped their words about what Calvinist believe, even when you were asked flat out, if you agreed.

    Do you show your true colors? Is your hate only toward Calvinist?
     
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    More from Mink...

     
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    Here is someone that agrees with Mink..

    Dr. Robert A. Morey...found at this LINK

    He states...

    Do you feel this is a over stated view? If so, how would you change the wording, without changing the Arminian view of free will?
     
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    I just found a quote by an Arminian...

    NOTICE: the ARMINIAN says that MANY do have this mindset...."Humanists have a sovereign man and an inactive God"
     
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    Certain personalities at one time or another have written materials about others that have been taken to be inflammatory and that is because of the passion with which such materials are written, and while I, for one, am a staunch believer that the Bible is all about the Doctrine of Grace, and that God in His Sovereignty chose a definite number of persons from the fallen posterity of Adam I believe that such choosing was based entirely on His mercy and prompted by grace.

    It is good to discuss but only so far as iron sharpeneth iron.

    Suffice to say that Arminianism, Pelagianism, semi-Pelagianism, Calvinism, Doctrine of Grace, all these are bodies ofdoctrines NONE OF WHICH eventually is the cause and reason for why Christ redeemed whom He redeemed. And such can also be said about other creeds, or lack of it.

    I will not pretend to have read Mr. Mink, but what my brother has quoted from his writings is just too strong an attack on a system of doctrine where true brethren may belong.
     
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    Pinoy,
    Thanks for your wisdom here.......Shows much about your walk with God.:love2:
     
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    NOTICE: the ARMINIAN says that MANY do have this mindset...."Humanists have a sovereign man and an inactive God"

    And, I guess this person speaks for all? Your attack on Christians who do not believe as you do is nothing short of shameless.
     
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    Brother sag.

    These were not my words. This is from an Arminain, stating what he sees can happen.

    I guess you disagree with him. I have yet to state my views. I will hold it just a while longer.
     
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    Then why would you even want to bring up such inflammatory rhetoric?
     
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    "There are some people who fetch out the Doctrines of Grace just in that way! I can see them trotting along with the Doctrine of Election just in order that some Arminian may dispute with them about it and that they may then bark at him! Do not act so, Beloved!" —Charles Spurgeon, Autobiography
     
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