From another thread: >>Trotter: Man is a sinner by his nature, and yet he freely chooses to sin. >HP: That is nothing short of a contradictory statement. A pit bull is bred to be vicious and thus is vicious by nature. Is this a parallel to humans being sinners by nature? When God cursed Adam did he change the nature of the human race? If so, have humans cursed the pit bull breed? (race and breed are equivalent terms) Some pit bulls, because of upbringing and training, are civilized critters. Is this the moral equivalent the Holy Spirit regenerating some people? Is there a moral equivalency between humans "putting down" some pit bulls and God "putting down" some humans by sending them to hell? Don't know, just asking for the sake of clear thinking.