Hundreds of Billions Of Galazies

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  1. HAMel

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    [SIZE=+0]If I may let me give a little information on this. Those scientists who have no Christian relationship when speaking of planets outside our solar system make it seem like they have actually seen planets with telescopes with the ability to describe them. However that is simply not true. No one has ever seen any planets outside our solar system with their eyes even through the most powerful telescope. Any picture you find of a planet would be an artist’s interpretation, and any description is further speculation.[/SIZE]
    Scientists don’t discover extrasolar planets by directly observing them. They make claims of discovering them by measuring the gravitational effects something is having on the stars in distance space.

    All the pictures of planets that these scientists give us are nothing but science fiction as no one has ever seen a planet outside our solar system so as to be able to describe it accurately.
    If you think about it we cannot even accurately describe the planets we can see within our solar system without sending probes to the planet and even then it is not always easy or clear. So again there are no pictures of any planet outside the nine, actually now the eight, we have in our solar system and the furthest ones in our own solar system have never been seen so as to properly describe what they look like.
    So with the data that scientist do get they are claiming that there are all these planets and there may be, but they have no way to be absolutely positive. They are making assumptions, some is pure specualtion, and some from data that they cannot possibly be sure means what they say it means. This is the only way that they can keep the world believing in evolution while at the same time get all the government funding they get.
     
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    I hope it does not upset you too much, but you are quite incorrect on this one.



    Scientists don’t discover extrasolar planets by directly observing them. They make claims of discovering them by measuring the gravitational effects something is having on the stars in distance space.

    That used to be true, but not any longer. Here is a link to info. on the first planets viewed and photographed:

    Scientists have taken the first snapshots of another solar system, ushering in a new era in astronomy.

    The infrared images show a family of three giant worlds orbiting a young hot star in the constellation of Pegasus, 130 light years from Earth. A light year is the distance light travels in a year - 6trillion miles.

    In another development also reported in Science, Nasa's Hubble Space Telescope photographed a single Jupiter-sized planet called Fomalhaut b orbiting a close neighbour of the Sun just 25 light years away.

    In future, astronomers hope to capture images of Earth-sized planets in other solar systems. Analysing the light from their atmospheres could reveal the existence of life.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ar-new-era-astronomy-dawns.html#ixzz1HtH7JZNu


    Sorry, no longer true.

    Never limit God in what he could have done. Never try to limit God to our own understanding.
     
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    Crabtownboy thank you for trying to correct what I said as I never want to miss-represent, but I am afraid that you have egg on your face as you did not read carefully what I wrote. First off that story you gave was written in 2008 and was speculation not fact, and even as of 2011 no one has seen a planet through a visible telescope method so as to describe what it looks like.. Second those are infrared images not literally seeing anything with an artists hope of what ot looks like. And third I said no one has ever seen a planet so as to describe what it looks like not that no one has ever seen a dot making claim it was a possible planet, but even in a claim no one can tell you what they look like.. They are images made by a computer that has been programed by a human who tells the machine this is what we believe the data means. No one has ever seen a planet outside our solar system even through the most powerful telescope so that they can tell what it looks like. Lastly there is not billions of claimed planets found. There is only claims of possible billions and they have not found even billions of possibilities of planets. Even the claims of what might be a planet is only a few thousand or a little more, not even 10 thousand. This is not to say that they are not there, just that any claim they are is false.

    So how do we find planets outside our solar system? We can't actually see these planets the way we can see the planets in our own solar system, so we must look for the tell-tale signs of their existence. We do this primarily be detecting the impact of their orbits around a star. There are three basic signs that we can look for...
    http://rml3.com/a10p/detecting.htm

    Read the article. No one has actually seen a planet so as to describe it. yes they do go ahead and give a description but the description is science fiction based on what they hope it looks like, not what they know it looks like. So like I said we cannot even tell what the planets in our own solar system look like without a probe much less those outside and very few outside have been confirmed.
    An extrasolar planet, or exoplanet, is a planet outside the Solar System. There are only 539 candidate extra-solar planets that have been identified[1] as of March 24, 2011.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet

    And only 512 claimed to be confirmed. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_on_sc/us_sci_alien_planets
     
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    freeatlast ... Clarify something for me. When you say no one has seen a planet through a visible telescope method do you mean a optical telescope?

    And would it really both you if such a planet was seen or proven beyond a shadow of a doubt?
     
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    Amazing! Absolutely amazing!

    I thought you'd take exception to the way I spelled Galaxy..., with a "z" but instead you took on the entire Scientific World.

    Contrary to what you might believe FAL, there are some in that crowd who do believe in the Lord and who do believe in the creation.
     
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    If you read carefully I said this.
    Those scientists who have no Christian relationship when speaking of planets outside our solar system make it seem like they have actually seen planets with telescopes with the ability to describe them. However that is simply not true. No one has ever seen any planets outside our solar system with their eyes even through the most powerful telescope...
    All the pictures of planets that these scientists give us are nothing but science fiction as no one has ever seen a planet outside our solar system so as to be able to describe it accurately.

    Like I said you did not read my post carefully. I was not trying to deny the existence of other planets and I did not. I was correcting the idea that we have been able to find billions of planets which we have not, no not even millions or even many thousands and even of the few found no one can tell you what they look like. What they look like is total speculation. If the methods they are using to describe the few planets that have found in other solar systems worked then they would certainly be able to use them in our own solar system for the planets we can see with optical telescopes but the process does not work. This is why we send probes to our own planets. So any claim as to how a planet looks light years away is total speculation and science fiction if a picture is offered. If they offer a dim or even bright dot that is all they can honestly confirm, nothing else.
    By the way I believe that there is most likely the possibility of billions of other planets, but until they are found I cannot say they are there and even the ones found to date cannot possibly be described as what they really look like. So yes I mean an optical telescope to discribe what they look like.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    Whle I have seen those who think it their calling to correct spelling and grammar and I have even had it happen to me however I find it most childish.
    None the less your total lack in ability to process what someone writes is overwhelming. At no time did I even mention God's ability to create or specualte on who believes or does not. I have no doubt that you approach the word of God with this same approach. The sad thing you miss out on what is said and you are left with more confusion and error.
     
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    ...and it does appear that you (demonstrated your total lack in ability to process what I wrote).

    It was my desire to provide a look-see into outer space through the Hubble Telescope that provides us with a glimpse of our Lords creation. Space, as is He, is never ending (infinity) and is glorious to me even if 100% of the Scientific Community believes we walked ashore 100 million years ago as fish.

    But, alas, you win. I'll throw in the towel.
     
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    Hamel, I appreciate your link. I think it's awesome how God continues to reveal more of Himself to us. Even though we humans think we have discovered some new thing, it is God who has showed them to us. I have often looked up at the night sky and tried to imagine what's out there, but my mind just cannot fathom the greatness of God's creation.

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    Yes Hammel, thanks for putting that up. It was interesting.

    ...and congrats on your acceptance to the IBIBFAL (I've Been Insulted By Freeatlast) fraternity.
     
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    ...and congrats on your acceptance to the IBIBFAL

    ...thank you..., thank you..., thank you folks. This is such a thrill and I'd like to give a special thank you to all those who helped me along the way...., hee-haw! hee-haw!

    Hey, isn't that what they say at the Academy Awards Ceremony? :tongue3::thumbsup:
     
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    Looking at this had me go and watch the Starlight and Time video by Dr. Russel Humphreys. Amazing stuff.
     
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    And to think that our great Father/God simply *spoke* it all into existance. :thumbs:


    It blows the mind.
     
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    It is quite awe-inspiring, isn't it?

    I know the dimensions of Heaven are spelled out in the Bible but I wonder if we will be permitted to wander out and explore some? Maybe we wouldn't even want to, who knows?
     
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    Thanks for the site! God's creation is absolutely mind blowing!!!
     
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    I believe his point was that the planets had not been seen so as to be described. And actually, he is correct. Even the closest star to us, Alpha Centauri, appears as nothing more than a dot in our most technologically advanced photographs. Even the pictures in the article you cited are disputed...did you not notice the dozens of other similar dots on the photograph?

    Now, it COULD be that these are planets (and they probably are), but they might be giant ham sandwiches for all the scientific community knows. They are taking the secular, naturalistic, and atheistic principle of uniformity, and applying it to everything. Those dots could, technically, be anything (or even interference in the infrared spectrum; i.e. "nothing"). A REAL picture has never, and barring wormhole technology, WILL never, be taken. Its all pure speculation.
     
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    Not long ago I visited the Louisiana State University's Astronomy observotory-----------they were "hippin'" it up all over the local radio----come see Saturn through our giant Telescope

    Well---we loaded up and took the kids------when we got there there was a line a mile long lined up to take a peak through their big giant telescope---so we got in line

    Finally---the line inched forward and it was my turn---I peaked through the giant telescope expecting to see something----what I saw was a white speck on a black background

    "That's Saturn?????"

    "Yep!! Sure is!!"

    "Looks more like ya'll have your telescope aimed at a street lamp somewhere off in the distance!!!"
     

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