huntsville area minister arrested

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  1. rbell

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    Doggone it...I'm tired of seeing these headlines!!!!

    I know of this church. I used to serve about 45 minutes from it.

    STORY

    Child pornography again. Sheesh.

    Please pray for this congregation, and this fella's family.
     
  2. D28guy

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    I dont quite understand this. There has to be more to the story.

    According to this article the people at the church thought he was spending too much time on the computer, so they called the police and told them that...and then the police came and confiscated the computers?

    That doesnt add up to me. The police cant just comfiscate peoples stuff just because someone calls and asks them to do it. Thats Nazi germany type stuff.

    Its a shame however for a church leader to get caught up in that trash, thats for sure.

    Mike
     
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    Uh, the people who OWN the church authorized the police
    to take the Church's computer. The employe of the
    church was misusing the Church's computer.
     
  4. Joe

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    The article stated a few church folk noticed he was on his computer more than usual, but not that the church called the police.

    Once I had viruses throughout my computer after using a floppy disk I borrowed from my County job. At the same time, our work computers were full of viruses, and were confiscated by the authorities (due to my female boss being turned in by a co-worker for stealing). We are funded by tax payer dollars so it was serious.
    We later learned there was child porn on our work computers. During the investigation, we were told hackers can come into other people's computers and store pictures, and surf the internet. They believed this happened to us. I found one picture of child porn my computer, and let them know this. Soon after, my computer bombed. This was about 6 years ago.

    I am not convinced this Minister was looking at child porn.


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  5. rbell

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    can i offer conjecture?

    Though I do most of the computer stuff at our church (I'm on staff), there are a couple of individuals at church authorized to access my computer, and are much more knowledgable than I. Were I to visit places I shouldn't, they would know. Our accountability procedures at my church are quite strong in this area for the reasons we see: to prevent moral failure, and to head off potential problems...whether it be due to sin, or an incorrectly-typed web address.

    Maybe it was that. Maybe someone walked by one evening & saw something they shouldn't. There's no telling.

    You're right...we don't know the story, Joe...but a church is decimated, and a ministry is essentially over...if he's innocent. If guilty, the reprocussions are much, much greater.

    Sadly, many, MANY are falling victim to this snare of sin. Sad.
     
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    Why didn't they (owners) remove it then. There's more there. I'm sick of this stuff to, but who better for satan to attack than believers?
     
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    I had my PC at my mother's Pentecostal church once and had to take it out as porn pages showed up in cache. Turns out the pastor's son was visiting sites in the office.

    When confronted about it, he said the pages were visited accidentally. I doubted it. Why? Because of the number of pages within a short amount of time.

    To prove he was not being truthful, I erased the cache, turned the internet on and showed Temporary internet folder to be empty and then asked for site that he visited. I turned monitor off and typed in site and hit the enter button. Then, after leaving the pc on for 30 minutes, I shut the pc down.

    When I rebooted, we went into the cache and the files that were there were only a scratch in the bucket compared to the ones I had previously erased (we did not look at the files, only the amount of files). Yet he claimed that was the only site he had visited and that by accident.

    Not possible. too many sites of the junk. Needless to say, I took down the internet and removed my PC from the property.

    When a clergy member, or other layman of the Church spends too much time on the computer and has that much porn on his pc, it is most definitely not by mistake.
     
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    we may just not be privvy to the entire body of facts. Who knows?

    If (conjecture again) a church employee is discovered to have child porn on his/her computer, the only prudent course of action IMO is to call the authorities.
     
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    I agree... let the authorities investigate.

    I also feel there is more to this story.. that may come out later.. it usually does.

    But it is sad. :tear:
     
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    Yeah, rbell & Tim, I agree. It's likely we don't know all of the facts. I will pray for this minister and his church.

    When the authorities visited our work, I asked them if they would like to take my computer to track down where the porn pic came from. I had no other porn sites in my cookies, or temp files if I recall. I think they felt it was not worth it to take it.
    No one else used my computer except me, though we did buy it used.
     
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    follow up story: LINK

    sounds like he confessed. Not gonna be a happy ending here.

    This particular article answers a few of the questions we all had.

    hoo boy.
     
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    How sad :tear:
    I sure hope he wasn't a child molester. If not, he appeared on his way to becoming one
     
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    Sure did. Now everything makes sense. :thumbs:

    Mike
     
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    We went out of town for an extended weekend, some time back. Upon returning, found a mountain of the stuff in here. Took a while, but a neighbor happened by and told us of another neighbor kid was here while we were gone. Fortunately is was at a time our son was ready to update/rebuild our comp so the hard drive was wiped and made a slave, whatever that is. Haven't had a prob since.
     
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    A good friend of mine is a computer forensics examiner for the FBI in the Southeastern United States, and he told me recently that a shocking number of "Christian" ministers have been caught with child pornography on their computers. And very often, when the FBI interviews church members, they find that the ministers in question have been acting inappropriately with children and young people, but no one wants to say anything for fear of rocking the boat.

    Unfortunately, I am part an incident where a volunteer youth worker I was close to, he was a father figure to me in my teens and the father of one of my closest teenage friends, was inappropriately touching making overt sexual advances to teen girls, including a very good female friend of mine. She had told the pastor and the youth minister about it, but they just told her to "avoid him." But the only way to avoid him was to leave the church... and she couldn't do that without her parent's permission. After about a year of his unwanted attention (and his attempt to blackmail her for sexual favors) she went public. Although I think almost everyone believed her, she faced intense criticism for "creating a scandal" and lost most of her so-called friends. I was one of the few people who supported her, and I also faced ostracism. In fact, she is the only one of my hometown friends with whom I have been able to maintain contact over the years. Most of the rest don't return my e-mails or take phone calls.

    People don't like to face the painful reality that ministers who take the name of Christ are often disturbed or use their position in the community for their own depraved gratification. And church members are very reluctant to confront a staff member for fear of being seen as attacking God.

    In a situation a few years previous to the one noted above, the deacon body in my home church asked our pastor (different one than referenced previously) to resign after being caught for a second time having sexual relations with young women he was "counseling" in his office. And it came out later (to our congregation) that the pastor had been forced to resign from his previous church for the same type of thing, yet the pulpit committee apparently either knew this, or didn't investigate the pastor at all before they issued the call - apparently at least some members of the committee knew but decided that he needed a second chance, and others claimed total ignorance.
     
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    :( You can imagine my utter shock and horror as I clicked the link and saw that the man in the article was a close friend from seminary. He was one of my study buddies as we were earning the same degree. He ate dinner at my table. He filled in for me at my church when I was gone. We ate lunch together many many days with our buddies in the cafeteria. I would never in a million years have dreamed this would happen with him. This is someone I would have trusted. I am so hurt and shocked, and I pray that it only got as far as computer stuff, even as bad as that is.

    Oh but for the grace of God go we...no one is exempt from the slippery slope of sin. My heart is broken and goes out to his precious family.
     
  17. rbell

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    I'm sorry, TT. It's bad enough when it's "anonymous."

    I'm assuming from your post that he is married and/or has kids. Will especially pray for them...
     
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    This is why it's getting harder to prosecute, and it's getting harder to prove that someone was doing it.

    My wife was telling me yesterday that that here computer at work popped up with a bunch of homo porn suddenly, and this is the reason. What would have happened on a man's computer? (And by a "bunch", I mean hundreds of photos, which with high-speed internet doesn't really take long.)

    By the same token, I have some LE friends who do this for a living, and they say that unless a person has thousands of photos, it's probably incidental (ie due to other surfing). Today, even if there are thousands, they have to make sure that it's not through a compromised computer. They caught that guy in CA (because he fell asleep in his car) and they think he had 100,000 or more slave machines, and they could only prove that he had been using one computer. What do you think would happan if the lady in that house had come across those thousands of child porn photos? Do you think she would have believed her husband's innocense?

    For better or worse, the way things are, we have to assume that people are innocent, even with strong evidence. If the guy was spending too much time on his computer, he may have been looking at child porn, or he may have picked stuff up incidentally.

    Oh, and on a related note, spammers have discovered a new way around spam blockers and AV by using pdf and jpg attachments.
     
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    I disagree. If he's guilty, then they can start to heal. His ministry is over, but they can bury it.

    If he's innocent, then the repercussions will be much greater. This will never go away, if there is any doubt as to his guilt.
     
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    I retract my first statement.

    He has confessed.

    However, I stand by my second one. With the proof of guilt (confession), they can now begin to heal, and deal with this individual.
     
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