I’m terrified of this indisputable pro-choice argument

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Dear Matt, ever since I first read your blog I knew you were a cowardly fake. It wasn’t until I started reading some of your anti-choice articles that my suspicions were truly confirmed. You spend a lot of time picking the low hanging fruit. You attack the weakest abortion rights arguments while ignoring the glaring weaknesses in your own position.

    If you had the guts or the brains you’d try to respond to the most important abortion rights argument… bodily autonomy or bodily integrity. This means that we have the final jurisdiction over our own bodies. Nobody can claim a right to our body that goes above our own right. Nobody can use our bodies without consent. We cannot be forced to donate organs or blood to someone else. A fetus must survive on a woman’s body so the woman has a right to withdrawal her consent and her body at any time.

    This is the pro-choice argument that no anti-choice fanatic… especially one as stubborn and simpleminded as you… could ever possibly dispute. If you still don’t understand, try to imagine this hypothetical…

    Imagine that you wake up one morning in a hospital bed. In the bed next to you is a famous singer. He is unconscious and all of these tubes are connected from him to you. A doctor comes in and explains that the singer became sick and you are the only person with the right blood type to match his. They need you to remain hooked up to him until he recovers… they tell you it should only take nine months. Until then, he needs to use all of your organs… your kidneys, liver, lungs, everything… just to survive. If you unplug yourself, he will die. So do you think you are obligated to stay plugged in? Does he have a right to live off of you like this? Should you be FORCED to stay connected to him?

    That’s what situation the pregnant woman is in. Instead of harping on all of these irrelevant issues, I wish you’d be brave enough to address it from this angle. It is immoral to require a woman to sustain a fetus and it is moral for a woman to make a decision with her body based on what is right for her. How can you argue against this?

    But I guess your blog is more about preaching to the choir than actually being intelligent and bold in your writing. What a shame.

    -Rachel"

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  2. Scarlett O.

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    His answers are awesome and cannot be denied. I don't always agree with Matt Walsh, but most of the time I do. His response to her is what everyone needs to hear!
     
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    Amen! Amen!!!!!!
     
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    His answers are very good, and focuses (without actually saying it) the nature of the subject: Relationships. To treat an unborn human life growing inside you the way this pro-choicer analogizes, requires a callousness that is completely devoid of morality, no matter how moral the pro-choicer thinks making decisions for your own body is. It requires denying that the life growing inside you is made up of your own genetic code. It requires denying that you created a continuation of yourself. And it requires admitting that you're so selfish that your only concern is yourself, and admitting that you place yourself above all others.
     
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    Amen!! I couldn't have said it better myself! Nicely put I agree with each and every word you have written.
     
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    They have a tendency to come up with scenarios that aren't likely. But they do happen. And in that case, they should still sustain that life. It is nothing but selfish to take the life of another just because the mother is in that situation. Why not try and at least save the baby's life? It's ridiculous. I know they don't believe so, but God is still in control in all situations.
     
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    I beg to differ a little bit. I am definitely pro choice, but not in the classic way of being pro choice.
    Look, I was raised in a disfunctional family and I was not wanted. I've never had my parents near me and that's because, I think, I wasn't wanted. Of course I am against abortions from some points of view (for instance, couples who rely on the chance of not getting pregnant and not using any kind of protection), but I just know that if you bring on Earth a baby that's not wanted, he will never develop at its best. Moreover, many abortions happen because, otherwise, the children would grow in a poor family, sometimes an abusive/violent family; no innocent child needs something like that in my opinion.

    So, from some points of view, I think that we should change our points of view about abortion. Rather than bringing on Earth a child that's doomed to live in an abusive family that wouldn't assure proper education or even some basic care, it's probably a better idea to stop the pregnancy and have a child only when you are ready.
     
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    But how do we define poor care from before it even happens? I know very poor families who have wonderful loving relationships and while they can't offer the child much monetarily, they can offer a ton of love. Then I know families who have had everything and have grown up so disfunctional it's not even funny. But then again, if our thinking is that it's better to kill a child than to let them grow up in a poor home, why not just include children so when we see that it's a poor home life, we kill them off at 3, 4 or 5 years old? Or heck, why not older? Who becomes the judge here and what are the rules?

    But then we read Scripture and we see children born in poor situations become mighty men of God. Look at Moses. Man, that poor guy couldn't catch a break! But what did God do? God redeemed his life and used him in a mighty way. Just maybe God has a purpose for these precious ones.
     
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    Wow! You just murdered both my kids. And because you killed their parents you also murdered my 6 grand children. And 2 great grand children!

    Both of our kids were "unwanted" until we wanted them. Both were deprived until we provided for them. Both were unloved until we loved them. And now both are healthy, loved, wanted, and committed Christian parents.

    Just try it God's way. Don't murder a child because you think his life might have some unhappiness. :(
     
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    As for "bodily autonomy" - I agree. The woman has autonomy over her body and the baby has autonomy over his body. That means she can't kill him without his permission. :)

    She needs to be reminded it is not her body! Unless she has two heads, four arms, four legs, twenty fingers and twenty toes.
     
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    That is not a reason to slaughter an unborn child.
     
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    I would like to read the response from Rachel, if she replied, that is.
     
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    I am sorry, but that's what I'd do if a kid would appear in my life now. I think that every child has the right of living a decent life. As I write this, I think especially at the poor Roma kids; especially in my country, a high percentage of the Roma couples are unemployed but prefer to bring children on earth just so they can receive social welfare. Those kids will grow without a proper education and most of them will become beggars or criminals.
    Those kids will never be loved or respected so why should they be doomed to a miserable life?

    I am not trying to be disrespectful, it's just my way of seeing things. I respect you for bringing your children on Earth, but as long as any future parents know they won't be able to provide for their future children, they should be able to stop the pregnancy (within some limits) without being judged.
     
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    There is only one way to respond to this: Do you believe abortion is honoring and pleasing to God?
     
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    Why not put a child up for adoption and give them a chance at a wonderful life? I was adopted 50 years ago and it was such a blessing. I am grateful to my parents for making that almost literal split second decision (actually, they had an hour to decide if they wanted me - and they didn't plan on adopting at all!). My younger brother is also adopted and I know children adopted from overseas as well who have wonderful lives. If one were to participate in an act that might create a new life, just maybe they should be responsible enough to see through their responsibility and take care of that child.
     
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    A colleague of mine just adopted a special needs boy from overseas.. They didn't have the $30,000+ to do this, so the entire community rallied around them for over a years with garage sales, benefits, and more so that they could get this child. They are ecstatic. Annsni - you beat me to it. I was just about to say - what happened to the option of adoption? Abortion should never be the option - not even considered.
     
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    I do believe that, if God exists, he wouldn't want his children to live a miserable life. And there are different types of abortion too. For instance, there are some medical conditions in which the baby is harming the mother, reason why is generally considered a better idea to stop the pregnancy and letting the mother live.
     
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    Again, we live in different cultures. This is why I am pro choice. I give you my country as a sad example, unfortunately.

    The orphanages here are in a miserable condition, mainly because the society doesn't give a damn about them, with very few exceptions. The politicians are rather interested of investing a lot of money in the Orthodox church, rather than spending money where they are mostly needed.

    Trust me, if I knew that it was possible for every unwanted child to live a good life, in a loving community, I would definitely be against abortion. I just don't want to see children having to beg for something to eat or children living below the extreme poverty line. Keep in mind that there are places where they live up to 7-8 people in the same room and most of the houses in the rural area don't even have a bath or a toilet inside the house.
     
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    And you call yourself a Christian?

    What are you doing here?
     
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    If?????????

    You don't belong here.
     

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