I -35 Bridge collapse/coincidence?

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  1. betterthanideserve

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    Do you find it strange that the I-35 bridge collapse was in the proposed path of the new I-35 super highway?
     
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    Not at all.

    I35 is a long highway with hundreds of bridges. Some of them are getting old.
     
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    What's with the sudden influx of folks desperately in need of a tin foil hat coming online here?

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    And this one had a very poor design, as well.

    However, the design did save some lives, apparently, as it fell. That might not have happened with some other designs, had they collapsed.

    Nevertheless, this will, no doubt, provoke responses from those who never saw a conspiracy they didn't like! :tonofbricks: :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
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    Maybe someone has been recruiting.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I-35 IS already a "superhighway" albeit an overcrowded one, in places! It runs from Duluth, MN to Laredo, TX on the Mexican border, for 1565 miles. Some scenarios have it being extended to International Falls, MN on the Canadian border, making it one of three Interstates that will be border to border with Canada and Mexico, along with (current) I-5, and (future) I-69, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

    Ed (Road fan, and Language Cop!)
     
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    It certainly is crowded between Oklahoma City and San Antonio. If you have cruise control on your auto, it is a waste.

    Many parts of it are being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and all the bridges are being replaced to accomodate the traffic.

    I hate it.:mad:
     
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    Better get used to it MP. People are waking up in droves to the manipulations of the globalist's, their mass media propaganda machine and the collusion between them and the government. It was only a matter of time before they showed up. Let's see how many you guys can drive away before it becomes, um...epidemic.

    Those three trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon and the billions spent, lost, and/or wasted on securing American global hegemony would go along way to update and repair our old warn out infrastucture. Guess the only thing left now is to turn the control of all that infrastructure that we paid for over to transnational contractors and corporations like Cintra. Corporatism gotta love it.
     
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    I was talking to my neighbor's dog yesterday, and he really opened up my mind to see what is really going on. Poncho, I believe you are part of the conspiracy by the globalists to give us slightly misleading information in order to blind us to the real plans. The dogs know the real story... that's why the Red Chinese tried to silence them with tainted dog food. Yep, the food was poison. Will you try to deny it?!

    I bet you will claim not to be part of the globalist conspiracy! Your denial will demonstrate your guilt.

    Prove that you are not a conspirator!
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup:
     
  11. Magnetic Poles

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    The original, accept no substitutes, ask for him by name, Baptist Believer with a space, precisely cuts through the bull!
    :laugh:
     
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    I find it strange that someone would insinuate a deliberate conspiracy.
     
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    Time to get some real information on this, and not just speculation from amateurs. I am not, and certainly don't claim to be an engineer, but I know a little something about structural integrity, from experience. And there are some really ridiculous things being said, here, that need to be corrected, IMO.

    First off, the bridge was not "in the proposed path" of any "new I-35 super highway", at all. The bridge was already an existing part of I-35W.

    The bridge was designed to carry some 50-60K vehicles per day, on two lanes, each way. It had an reached an ADTC of around 140K, day in-day out, and had been restriped to four narrowed lanes with no emergency lanes on either side, just to handle the traffic.

    The bridge was known to have structural issues for at least seventeen years. It was rated at only a 50 out of a possible 120 on structural integrity. That is a less than half rating, from what could be expected. The bridge did not have a multiplicity of reinforcing duplication, by design. Fine, for its design expectations, I guess, at 60K vehicles; seriously overloaded at 140K.
    It was also approaching "functionally obsolete, due to the same limitations.

    Further, the bridge was undergoing maintenence, with the four lanes cut down to two lanes, funneling the traffic at rush hour to the 'outside' of the bridge in one direction, and to the 'inside' of the bridge, in the other. That would put uneven stress on the structure. That is not 'rocket science'; that is just common sense.

    The engineers thought it was sound enough to get by for a while; the engineers were wrong, once again!

    Think Silver Bridge, US-68 Brooklyn Bridge (KY), in my own backyard, and Tacoma Narrows! In all three, the lack of structural duplication led to failure. And the Brooklyn Bridge and Silver Bridge were both carrying far heavier loads than had ever been envisioned, just as the I-35W was. In fact, the KY US-68 Brooklyn Bridge collapsed in 1955 under the weight of just one (fairly light weight, compared to today) food service delivery truck. That is how weak that bridge was.

    The I-35W bridge, was already considered for replacement, due to its obsolesence, with plans in the works, since more structural deficiencies were noted in 2000 and forward.

    And one thing few even considered, is now coming to light. Pigeons were and are a real problem, in some bridges, including the I-35W bridge. Whodathunkit?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20439533/site/newsweek/?GT1=10252

    Get it straight. Put all this together, and the result is a failure.

    And, frankly, I deal with a bridge, on an occasional basis, that is not all that far behind, and it's also on an interstate. Overloaded, overworked, overcrowded with narrow lanes, nearing 170K vehicles per day, and that with only half the usual trucks, due to restrictions, and cannot possibly stand up for a long period of time, at the current levels of traffic and stress. Even so, due to the number of truks on I-75 daily, the truck count at the Brent Sence is comparable to the average, elsewhere on the system, in terms of the truck percentage. That does not mean that it is any emminent danger of collapse, but the wheels are slowly grinding it to pieces, and it is already functionally obsolete.

    The Brent Spence I-75 bridge at Covington/Cincinnati.

    Unless it is doubled, or a new facility built, somehow in the next ten years or so, it will have to be closed for major overhaul. Now you a e really talking about traffic problems, if and when that happens. It has already passed over forty of its projected 60-80 year life, at its original projections. And the traffic is already doubled over its original projections with more crossings virtually each and every day.

    http://bridgehunter.com/oh/hamilton/brent-spence/

    Frankly, should there happen to be a failure of the Spence bridge, (such as a string of barges destroying a pier), during "rush hour", it's gonna' make the I-35W tragedy look like a "walk in the park" by comparison. And you will not be talking of a dozen in lives lost, and a hundred injured, but multiples of those numbers, IMO.

    Ed
     
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    They're coming to take me away ha ha.
     
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    Bye!! [​IMG]

    See ya' back when ya' escape 'em! [​IMG] [​IMG] {laugh} {laugh}

    Ed
     
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    I would like to thank you for the tremendous amount of thought that went into your reply,the world has missed out on so much, since you posted last.
    Please continue to add your much needed information,you never can tell how your efforts are apppreciated.:sleeping_2:
     
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    "suprise suprise suprise!" Gomer Pyle
     
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    Well, since you're accusing your government of murdering thirteen citizens, perhaps you'd like to put some proof on the table...

    Or, then again, probably not...
     
  19. betterthanideserve

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    Am I/


    I don't recall accusing my government of anything,are you?You shock me!
    I am simply saying that I find it to be a strange coincidence.( by the way did you know that there is no such thing as coincidence?)All things are in Gods control,they don't(just happen).
    I do think however that it could be an act by the globalist's (it did come down very quick) 6 seconds...fell flat.
    and they just happened to catch a video,just a simple coincidence....
    and it just happens to be along the I-35 corridor,just another coincidence.
    I really don't beleive in conspiracy theories .....
    truth, that on the other hand is an eye opener especially when you look at it with your biblical glasses on.........but you go on and ridicule,say anything you want about it,you have the right to do so...I would never take that away from you,all I'm trying to do is shed a little light on the subject......
    How about yourself shedding light or confusion?:godisgood: Ephesians 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,but rather reprove them." KJV
     
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    I find it strange that you would throw this kind of nonsense out, and then have the nerve to give people a hard time about their response.

    Ed Sutton gave you a pretty well thought out response. You gonna gloss over that and concentrate on the one-liners ?

    What kind of coward are you ?
     
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