I am a charismatic, I just don't speak in tongues.

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  1. Daniel David

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    Have you evern known anyone who is diametrically opposed to those who claim to be able to speak in tongues, yet they have other aspects of charismatics reaking from their actions and words?

    This is actually one of the most puzzling things about people who claim to be christians.

    They say they are against speaking in tongues. They usually argue that 1 Cor. 13 proves that tongues have ceased. I happen to agree, but 1 Cor. 13 isn't even the best text to prove that.

    Anyway, while they vehemently oppose "tongues", they have no problem talking about being "called" or "led" or other mystical experiences.

    Basically, they act charismatic without the gibberish. Am I the only one who has noticed this?
     
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    [Non-baptist posting in a Baptist Only forum]

    [ June 08, 2004, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
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    I work for a charismatic publishing company, but am not charismatic myself. Being "called" or "led" are not charismatic. Being "filled with the spirit" is not charismatic.

    I grew up in Baptist churches that acted like the Holy Spirit was a bad word. I am so glad I am now a part of a Spirit-Filled Southern Baptist church that is sound in doctrine. Some of us even raise our hands [​IMG] and clap [​IMG] during worship.
     
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    Netpub, the modern idea of "called" and "led" actually is charismatic.

    Show me where that terminology is in the N.T.
     
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    I am so glad I am now a part of a Spirit-Filled Southern Baptist church that is sound in doctrine. Some of us even raise our hands and clap during worship.

    Wahoo! Me, too!
     
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    As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." Acts 13:2 NKJV

    When the leaders of the church at Antioch were deciding who to send out as missionaries, the Holy Spirit said to them, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." That was a special revelatory act of the Spirit, but it illustrates His role in guiding the first century church leaders into God's will.

    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14 NKJV

    Paul said, "All who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." All true believers are led by the Spirit
     
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    Netpub, you are not talking about the same thing as me.

    If that is your only reason for using "called", I rest my case. There is no reason to believe that event is normative for today. That has more to do with the initial spreading of the gospel than anything else. Thank you for helping me make my point.

    As to being "led", you are correct that all true believers are led. However, on what grounds does Person A say that he is led to do something? It is only in his mind. There is no objective authority involved. My friend, that is what charismatics do.
     
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    I was "called" into the youth ministry by the Holy Spirit, and I can see where I have been "led" by Him as He has directed my steps in life.

    One thing I have learned working at a charismatic company for the last 5 years is that we as Christians can "take the meat, and throw away the bones".
     
  9. Daniel David

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    Prove it.
     
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    Some people on this Board will never have charisma, LOL. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Daniel,

    How did you decide to go to Seminary? Aren't you studying to be a pastor? How do you know God wants you to be a pastor?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I have a few copies of Charisma magazine on my desk at work, but I don't read it that often. [​IMG]
     
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    What does the Bible say? What do I have to have to be an elder?

    1. I have to WANT to be an elder.
    2. I have to be qualified.

    That is it.
     
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    That makes sense.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    You have to have been given the spiritual gift, Ephesians 4:11 says:

    And He Himself [the Holy Spirit] gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,

    I can WANT to be a pastor or an evangelist, but if I don't have the spiritual gift, or the "call", then I will not make a good pastor, regardless of how much I spend on seminary.
     
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    NP,

    I think there was a second part to DD's answer. Not only do you have to want to do so, but you must also meet the Biblical qualifications as well. I think DD is arguing that those tow things are what qualifies a person to be an elder. IOW, if God wishes him to be an elder, he will give him the desire and make him qualified. Am I correct in that analysis, Daniel?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I agree that you have to want to do so, and meet the Biblical qualifications, but if God wishes him to be an elder, wouldn't the the "want and desire" be the "call" and God "making him qualified" be the "leading" of the Holy Spirit?

    I know many men who meet the qualifications in 1 Timothy 3, but they aren't "called" by God to be elders, and the Holy Spirit is not "leading" them in that direction.
     
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    When you put it that way, it almost sounds as if we are arguing semantics. Perhaps, DD would like to clarify his position and expound on his position a bit more?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    DD,

    The one sure way to tell if God is leading you is the test of divine providence!
     

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