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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by 4-christ, Mar 26, 2004.
At school we have people wearing the rebel flag and i am getting offended by it.
And there are some who wear even less in society. What makes me sick is when Christians act like a bad case of the world. In my business I see Christians who cheat others. I also see Christians who are truly an example of Christ.
I can understand that. Do you think they are doing it just to be cool? What grade are you in? (You do not have to answer that if you do not want to.)
Psalms 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
What do you consider a "rebal flag?"
You should really study the history about the "War between the States" or the "War for Southern Independence" as is called here in the South. If and when you do so, I don't think you would be offended any longer, especiall if you learn it from a Christian's perspective.
I got a big confederate flag hanging in my room right now, and every now and then somebody would plant a small confederate flag on one of the graves in that small graveyard we have at the back of the church, and no one is offended.
Now, I wasn't born in this country, and if I find myself in the deep south some redneck who thinks being a true southerner is hating people's skin color will probably run me off the road or worse, but I did some readin' up, and what I can see is that war wasn't about slavery but about the federal government encroachin' on state rights and sovereignty.
Might be wrong, but that's how I saw it. No disrespect, and no offense meant.
The division between the northern and southern Baptists was over the issue of slavery.
Those in the South that truly understand the reason for the "War for Southern Independence" know that the war had nothing to do with slavery. Reading States' archives, you will find that they knew slavery was on the way out soon enough. State Soverignty (sp?) was the main reason. Also, reading the Confederate Constitution, you will see read:
We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America."
This you will not read in the US Constitution; "Almighty God."
The Civil War was fought over states rights.
Under that broad heading was slavery- the most contentious and emotional issue. The immediate abolition of it was not an issue before the war but rather whether new states entering the Union would be allowed to decide for themselves or not. By and large, northern states wanted to use their numerical superiority in Congress to dictate the issue to new states.
One forgotten but interesting bit of history is that most of the Revolution era abolitionist noise was from Baptists... in the south. Continuation of slavery was most probably a compromise to get rich southerner support for the new government.
AMEN. The slavery issue was a non issue until late in the war. In all truth, the institution of slavery was economically on the way out.
The War of Northern Aggression.
Now, the Fed. Govt. wants to revert to state sovereignty on the gay marriage issue
I'm not in the deep south, but in studying history the truth is the truth.
There is an interesting study of the moral and religious practices comparing northern and southern leaders as well.
Don't let the flag get ya down, it ain't meant as an offense, just a statement. Do you think our stars and stripes was not really a 'rebel' flag to the union jack for years?
You are so right that the truth is the truth. It is interesting that the official secession statements of the southern states say that slavery was a key issue.
(The War of Northern Aggression.)
Don't tell me you believe Billy The Kid was a Baptist preacher!
I was sent a tape of a fuit cake from Ohio, of all places, that preached in a confederate uniform and said the James brothers and Billy the kid were sent from God..........and a whole bunch of other garbage.
Whether it is a rebel flag or a 'stars and stripes', I would be offended if it was being displayed in an inappropriate manner.
I don't believe any flag was designed to be draped about one's body OR walked on OR burnt!
Oh, I think this lady here got the real point. Is that it, Neal ? You were offended because the rebel flag was being worn as a shirt ? Or is it the flag itself that offended you.
I am blessed 16 is right, though.
Slavery was on the way out--but still fully supported in some areas.
The sovereignty that was claimed by the South was the freedom to continue on their current path.
If the South had won, then some states would still have had slavery, while others would not. It would have been left up to the individual states.
And that, friends, is why the South was wrong. I'm not saying that the North was right; but I cannot, in good conscience, support any stand for freedom which allows someone to take that very freedom away from another.
You've heard the proverb "I didn't know whether to laugh or cry".
That's how I felt when I saw one of the Church teens who had the following three sentences on the back of his shirt.
I broke the law today.
I prayed in school.
I'm a menace to society.
Actually it depends on the reasons why they are wearing the flag. Some people in the south use that flag to intimidate, so their motives are purely evil. Others wear it to show pride for the south.
I'm from the south and I don't mind the flag at all. But I wouldn't display it up here.
Anyone doubt that the last days are getting really close?
Karen, you are soooooooooooo wrong....
Read the ordinances of sucession for each Southern State:
Only Texas, Alabama, Virginia even mention the word "slave" and then it is used only to describe "slave holding states."
Know your facts first, then post the truth.
Don, Not even in the Bible, KJV or otherwise, does God condemn slavery. He does, however, condemn abuse of slaves.