I AM GETTING OFFENDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ole Dixie...heritage, not hatred.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

riverwalker:

You have apparently misunderstood gb's response.

He not say slavery was the main issue of the civil war but that slavery was a main issue in the difference between northern and southern BAPTISTS!

I agree with you comment about the war; however, gb's statement is correct. At the Triennial Convention the delegates and most of the mission societies ruled that no one would appointed as a missionary if they were slavholers.

The SBC was formed in 1845 for this primary reason -- the sending of missionaries and since most of the societies would not support slaveholders, a new Baptist group was born.

 

Dear Robert,
For a more complete list of documents please peruse the following link:
http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/full.html

4 states, Texas, South Carolina, Georgia, and Mississippi each had a separate Declaration of Causes.
Mississippi said: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest in the world."
Texas was against northern states that were "proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men".
South Carolina was unhappy because northern states "have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery".
See similar verbiage in the Georgia Declaration.

The same page has links to additional resolutions by Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, others. As well as speeches and letters from one Southern legislature to another.

Read carefully and you will see that there are far more explanations by those involved than just the bare bones withdrawal resolutions.
Certainly the Civil War was a very complicated event. But slavery was indeed a major issue to those involved.

Karen

 

Folks, the only reason Native Americans were not enslaved is because they knew the land and could not be held.

Therefore, they were removed, educated and in some cases terminated.

Then, there is the coming of the Irish, who the African slave referred to as the inside out black man. They performed the dangerous jobs which even Africans were not allowed to do because of the investment their owners had in them.

A very good book on this topic discussing the oppression of all ethnic groups coming to America is
A Different Mirror by Ronald Takaki---A Japanese American, born here, but wrote the book as an answer to the ever present question, how long have you been in America?

The initial issue was whether or not the states had the sovereign authority to determine their own course related to slavery (especially in regards to the western territories as they were organized). The failures of the Missouri Compromise and other things of that nature should teach us lessons in other areas of our lives as well.

AS has been stated 'truth is truth' and there is no room for compromise when truth is on the table.

Now, someone produce for me the welcoming wagons the freedmen met when migrating to the northland, home of their celebrated redeemers as they searched for jobs. Anyone?

The sickening thing about southern slavery is that it was based upon skin color.

After all, Georgia was a 'debtors' colony made up of those released from debtors' prison in England.

Please don't be offended by me, my family is from a long line of poor white trash that wasn't worth the price of an African slave and certainly could not afford to own any slave.

In my opinion, alot of this was the result of Puritan/Calvinistic doctrine which recognized material blessing as blessing from God. They first claimed the Native as no account because his culture and lifestyle did not match their own of property owners, agricultural economics, etc.

this permitted the cheating and dishonouring of treaties.

Has anyone ever wondered why the free and independent nation of Texas chose to join the Union?


Bro. Dallas

 

People who hate themselves find it comforting to wear "statements" as clothing. It is an attempt to redefine themelves into an acceptable (to them) "group" definition that frees them from their own self-shame.

Jesus tells us not to concern ourselves with "clothes". So how much less should we be concerned with clothes of others.


LVB Matthew 5:47
47. If you are friendly only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even the heathen do that.


Look upon these weak, self-loathing individuals as the lost sheep that they are and "forgive" them for they are in the first steps of coming to Christ. You are already there. Therefore, show them the love that comes from Christ and let Him remove their sin hidding clothes.

 

I will have to say that, now, slavery is a non-issue. However, we, rather, I, do tend to forget that new Christians do watch us older Christians as we discuss "political" issues, especially from the past, that are really of no spiritual value other than praying for our Leaders, government, and our nation.

This scripture, probably my favorite, always comes to mind when God was talking to Soloman (I believe it still applies to us today):

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Robert

 

The point I was making is that even Christians at times have trouble getting along. Look at Paul and Mark.

 

My favorite story from the War for Southern Independance is when the glorious Mr. Lincoln found out that Missouri had been taken he was joyful until told that the commanding general (whose name I do not recall at this time) had emancipated the state of Missouri. So joyful was Mr. Lincoln that he removed the general from command, brought him back to Washingtom, demoted him and put him behind a desk. At the same time he recinded the emancipation of Missouri. Ain't that sweet?

 

Interesting history Mr. Frogman. Thank you for the post.

 

Don't get offended. Maybe the flag means something different to them than it does to you. Ask them and find out why. That is my suggestion!

§hawna

BTW-we are all americans now. That isn't going to change because people wear or fly the rebel flag.

 

4-Christ!

Don't let it bother ya! I was raised in the South and yet have grown to love the UNITED STATES of AMERICA----the CSA means nothing to me---the Rebel flag means nothing to me---in fact, the last flag that General Lee waved in General Grant's face was---white!!!

I suppose, though--that wearing a rebel flag sure beats wearing a swatsticka one! You???

 

I wear the Confederate Battle Flag in commemoration of one of the greatest action TV shows of all time. The Dukes of Hazzard.

On a more serious note.

The Wauh of Nauthen Agression was not about slavery, at least not to the Confederate states, that was merely a current manifestation of the underlying problem. The Federalist machine was growing in power, and the Federal government was wielding more control over the individual state governments. Slavery was used very masterfully by the Union to engender support to use the military might of the Fed to change the U.S. of A.'s style of government to the current top heavy Federalist pseudo-democracy we now enjoy. Look at the results of the war if you want to know what the goals were. The slaves were still in slavery to racism, and the Federal Income Tax was born, along with plenty of other "neccessary" law changes that have crippled the system of United States that was the vision of the founding fathers.

 

Now that was funny. Do we have some kind of smart advertising daemon running on the BaptistBoard Web servers? I posted the above comments, and the ad at the bottom of the page was for Quality US made flags, and they also have in stock and awaiting your order, yep, you guessed it, the Confederate Battle Flag.

 

Yes we do, Super Dave! If we were to say gorilla, gorilla, zoo, gorilla, gorilla, apes, jungle, enough times, an ad would appear for that! LOL
It's a Google thing.... they advertise to match what we are speaking about! We had to block some 'rainbow' ads when we discussed some marriages recently. Diane

gorilla gorilla gorilla gorilla gorilla gorilla gorilla

 

Nothin' but flags, Diane! Nothin' but flags! Do gorilla's have flags??

 

I am proud of my heritage, and that heritage includes the Confederate States of America.

I do not condone hatred. I do not condone racism. But I stand up for the right to keep what is a part of my family's past.

Really, the Confederate flag is no big deal. My daughter has a couple of Dixie Chick t-shirts that she loves to wear, and a couple of necklaces that have the Confederate flag on the beads. No biggie.

4-christ, I can understand you being offended by the actions of those who were wearing/flying Dixie, but the flag itself is just that...a flag.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Trotter---just a question here---from one "Son of Dixie" to another----I was born and raised in Baton Rouge and if you traced my past back---yes, I can say that somewhere back there----some ancestor of mine helped dig some General's Latrene in the Civil War----

now---here's my question---

Since we lost(and I ain't a "we" in that respect anymore) and the CSA no longer exists---is the flag still recognized as part of that banished group---in other words---the CSA flag is no longer a flag---but just a memorial type of possesion---I don't know, that's why I'm asking!

Blackbird

 

REBEL FLAG,

I live in the North, near NYC, my hubby is from TX and loves the rebel flag, along with the american flag, christian flag, Texas State flag etc.
We display the American and Rebel flag on our cars. What is wrong with the rebel flag? I like it myself. And what it stands for.

And here is another one:
I stated where I lived because of this: We have a lot of african americans in our area, some neighbors with whom we were friends with. Since putting the rebel flag on our cars they no longer associate with us and think we are associated with the KKK!
We are the same people they knew before! Huh! I like it, and I will display it always.

 

We are a band of brothers and native to the soil
Fighting for the property we gained by honest toil
And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star!

Hurrah!
Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

As long as the Union was faithful to her trust
Like friends and brethren, kind were we, and just
But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Hurrah!
Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand
Then came Alabama and took her by the hand
Next, quickly Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Hurrah!
Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right
Texas and fair Louisiana join us in the fight
Davis, our loved President, and Stephens statesmen are
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

And here's to brave Virginia, the Old Dominion State.
With the young Confederacy at length has linked her fate.
Impelled by her example, now other States prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue flag that bears a single star.

Then here's to our Confederacy, strong we are and brave,
Like patriots of old we'll fight, our heritage to save.
And rather than submit to shame, to die we would prefer
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue flag that bears a single star.

Then cheer, boys, cheer, raise a joyous shout
For Arkansas and North Carolina now have both gone out;
And let another rousing cheer for Tennessee be given
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag has grown to be eleven!

 

Had the CSA won the war---it would have meant a lot to me----they almost did, though!! Blunders of a "Lost Cause" General Lee and company prevented it! Of course, "Almost!" only counts in Horseshoes and Granades!!