I Got Your Health Savings Right Here

Discussion in 'Politics' started by KenH, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. KenH

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    Good, practical stuff.


    "A savings of 49.5%! No bureaucrat can match that. No central planner can produce that by waving his wand and making his sweeping pronouncement, "I decree this is how much will be saved!" Savings happen when people spend their own money, and so they care how much of it they spend. When spending other peoples’ money, it is human nature to spend more."

    You can read how these health care savings came about at:

    www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/foye7.1.1.html
     
  2. twpaige

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    Dave Ramsey preaches that we should use CASH for all of our spending, it's MUCH harder to spend when it's currency slipping from your fingers.

    Good points!
     
  3. targus

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    Ken, just curious, have you changed your mind about supporting a single payer universal health care plan?
     
  4. Salty

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    I must be unusual. Cash slips right thru my hands. I spend much less with my credit card!
    No kidding
     
  5. KenH

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    I support the separation of health care and state.
     
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    That sounds like you no longer support a single payer universal plan - am I understanding you correctly?
     
  7. KenH

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    A single payer universal government plan I do not support as that idea is inconsistent with libertarian political principles. I am a libertarian. Just am. No point in me fighting against my basic political nature.
     
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    If the infection had been mrsa the author would be dead. He could have trusted Jesus to heal him and saved 100% of medical costs.
     
  9. Salty

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    :thumbsup: :cool: :thumbsup:
     
  10. targus

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    That is an interesting thought.

    Since a large part of Obama's pitch is to implement a government health plan in order to save money on unnecessary procedures - it seems likely that not having the test would be the most probable route under a government plan too.

    And you are right if the patient has MRSA he would be dead.
     
  11. HankD

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    Money talks.


    It's always saying Goodbye! to me.


    HankD
     
  12. Robert Snow

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    How long will this "change" last?
     
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    It's a stupid short-sighted article. The author is only looking at short term medical costs.
    His simple savings pale when compared to a stay in any hospital intensive care unit.
    The costs could easily increase a hundred-fold.

    I’ll come from two directions here:

    #1
    Life-sustaining medical care during the last few weeks of life is costly.
    Some say the solution is to limit the care offered to these patients and cover only that which is necessary for comfort

    but who is to know when that time comes. It’s easy looking back in time but so much tougher looking prospectively.

    It reminds me of a joke about when we loose our keys. We always find them in the last place we look.
    …But of course we never look anywhere else after we find them.

    In analogy: If we give up on people and let them die early the cost of caring for them decreases.
    Give up sooner and the cost savings get even better.

    If full-coverage medical care is only given to those who some faceless government authority decides are productive then eventually a cost/benefit analysis will determine a persons life’s worth.
    The deeper in debt the government becomes the less they will be willing to cover.


    #2
    It’s a bitter joke at the medical office where I work that one of the ways health insurance companies make money is by denying services that they know are vital and covered under the patients plan.

    There are times when our office spends up to 45 minutes fighting for the patient before a company will relent and cover the service.

    Last February the rules tightened even further.
    There are times when only a physician can get the approvals.
    A physicians time is budgeted so tightly that many of them are reluctant to spend the 5 to 30 minutes arguing with an insurance flunky in order to get his tests approved.

    Patient’s are often stuck in the middle.
    Physician offices get the outbursts of rage when approvals aren’t forthcoming.
    Some patients just give up in disgust.
    When they do give up, the insurance company makes money.
    ...So it’s financially beneficial for insurance companies to make collecting your pre-paid benefits very difficult.

    Analysis:
    Costs are a determining factor in medical care. That can’t be denied.
    Currently the patient is in charge of his care; those that can afford the best care generally get it.
    Those that are not so fortunate get the best care that their health coverage plan and the hospitals can afford. It’s a fair deal. That's the way things have worked throughout time.

    I’m reluctant to allow a governmental bureaucracy handle my health plan.
    They have proven over and over again that they can’t predict costs or deal with them outside a political venue.

    Let's see them take Health care reform in small steps, rather than taking it in one big bite.

    Begin by examining the American Medical Association proposal and enact medical tort reform.

    Rob
     
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  14. targus

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    I find it interesting that you would say this to KenH.

    You would have to have been around prior to last March to have the inside knowledge to tease him about "change".

    Did youpreviously participate here prior to becoming "Robert Snow"?

    Perhaps under a different name?

    If so could you let us know so we can better discuss with you from a better perspective?
     
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  15. KenH

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    I have no idea. Only God knows since He knows everything that has ever happened or ever will happen.
     
  16. Robert Snow

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    I've been visiting here off and on long before I decided to join.
     
  17. sag38

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    Judging from the nature of your posts there's no way you just hung around in the shadows.
     
  18. Robert Snow

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    You have no idea where I have been or what I have done. You are driven by your hatred of anyone who is a Democrat, that's all.
     
  19. carpro

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    Busted!

    Lying trolls always get caught here sooner or later.
     
  20. sag38

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    I don't hate you Robert. I may pick at you but I love you. This site would be no fun if a little strong banter were not allowed between posters. .
     

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