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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Judith, May 24, 2012.

  1. kyredneck

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    Christ is the true vine (Jn 15).

    The natural olive tree is the kingdom of God. I kinda like the way Luke2427 puts it here:

    “The Kingdom of God was TAKEN from Israel and GIVEN to the Gentiles. In other words its primary station of operation was moved.”
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=74773 (post #7)
     
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    Multiple Covenants trump multiple dispensations anytime, particularly since the Bible identifies multiple Covenants but not multiple dispensations. Covenant theology is generally concerned with one covenant, the Covenant of Grace!

    Just who among covenant theology believes that the Church replaced Israel. All I have heard [or read] reject Replacement theology.

    The Church exists in and through the Lord Jesus Christ and so is a distinctive New Testament reality[144] [New Geneva Bible, page 1864]. However, the Church, as a people of the promised New Covenant [Jeremiah 31:31-33] which was instituted by the Lord Jesus Christ [Matthew 26:28, 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-13], who, as the incarnate God, is the promised seed of Abraham [Galatians 3:16] and the promised Messiah [John 4:25,26], is a continuity of spiritual Israel, God’s covenant people of the Old Testament. The predominant teaching of the Church since Pentecost is that God has only one people and that the New Testament Church is the Israel of God, the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. The Baptist Faith and Message adopted by the Southern Baptist Convention in Atlanta, Georgia on June 14, 2000 writes of the Church in Section VI as follows: The New Testament speaks also of the Church as the Body of Christ which includes all the redeemed of all the ages, believers from every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.

    The initial promise of Redemption [Genesis 3:15] was made long before Israel existed as a people. As Scripture unfolds God expands on His purpose of Redemption. The election of Israel as a people of God was for the ultimate purpose of the birth of Jesus Christ the Incarnate God.
     
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    Spiritual Jews convicted1, not Jews!
     
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    Can you present Scripture to justify the above statements?
     
  6. Yeshua1

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    paul Romans Chapters 9-11, as the Apostle saw isreal and church as 2 seperate entities in plan of God!

    Not ALL physical Jews were partakers of the new Covenant, as ONLY spiritual jews that were part of the faithful remnant of God, who placed faith in yeshua, were shown 'true sons of Abraham"...

    God is calling out both jews/Gentiles today to be saved in the Church, but coming a time of Jacobs troubles, when He deals again with national isreal, as last 7 years of the covenant time given to prophet Daniel!

    there is still 7 years allotted by god to His dealing with isreal, and those start up once Church is raptured, then he will turn again to dealing with last generation of jews still living!

    Fulfilling when jesus said that once "all these things come to pass", the last generation will see all things started to being fulfilled!
     
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    That's what I said Brother, when I said we are now Jews inwardly. The inner man is saved, and adopted in.
     
  8. Yeshua1

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    we are saved as a 'whole man" though!

    Soul/spirit now, while body will be at the resurrection!

    and physical Jews who get saved by god will be the spiritual jews, NOT we gentiles, as we are the "other flock" to come into yeshua!
     
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