I just drugged myself

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  1. Helen

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    This is 'zoo week' for us. Guests Sunday evening. We lectured for two hours at a school Monday morning. Farrier came for horses Monday afternoon. Barry lectured in astronomy at the New Hope Observatory, where he is director, Monday evening. While he was gone I helped my granddaughters with their homework, did the dishes, got Chris to bed, medicated a dog's ear, and got our lectures ready for this morning (we have two hours every day this week upon request of the instructors involved). Got up at six to feed the animals, set sprinklers, shower, review notes, get going. Two hours of lecture for us. Hay delivery arrived about noon. That finished, Barry worked on some of his stuff and I went down grocery shopping, picked up a new keyboard for this contraption, and stopped by the pharmacist's for some prescriptions for Barry. Came home, unloaded groceries. Barry was exhausted and needed to go down for a nap as he is due at the observatory again this evening for some meetings with some of the representatives of universities and the Department of Education. I still have to feed the horses and goats, get dinner, help the kids who need help with their homework, get Chris down, clean the kitchen, and prepare the material for the two lectures tomorrow.

    I'm one of the walking zombies right now. But actually, not right NOW. I was about half an hour ago. But I had a good strong cup of tea and some chocolate. Folks, for me, that is drugging myself. I'm really reactive to a lot of chemicals and I'm wide awake now.

    Is that wrong? I need to keep going. I will not have a chance to rest until I go to bed around ten this evening. I don't think my body will make it until Barry gets home. For me, I did what I needed to do to keep the household going as it needs to.

    Is what I did wrong?
     
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    I think I will hold my commets.
     
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    All things are lawful for you. Be sure that nothing controls you though.
     
  4. Helen

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    You mean like my husband??? LOL

    Seriously, I know that and you know that. However there are some on this board who have been extremely judgmental about certain issues regarding eating and drinking and things that affect the brain -- even to the point of questioning another's position in the Lord. I am extremely curious about their comments on this issue. It is also interesting that 'no comment' was the first comment....
     
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    I do that often! I drink Starbucks Venti Caramel Machiatto when I need to keep moving.
     
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    Helen, I don't see anything wrong with drinking tea in moderation, and chocolate as well. Or soft drinks for that matter.

    What I worry about when my wife and I eat out is the waitress who keeps refilling my tea glass. When they keep pouring, I have this urge to keep drinking. Sometimes my wife has to drive home. That old devil tea and demon chocolate can really get you.

    But while we're taking these things into our bodies, they're so goooood! Why, I am so energized. I actually feel better. Oh, I have been so seduced.

    I will probably fall off the wagon before the evening is over. My wife is an enabler, you see, and she will arrive shortly with a handfull of M & Ms. They are addictive, you know.

    Helen, we are so helpless, do you think we need to start an Anonymous group for the tea-a-holics and choco-holics here on the BB?
     
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    Hi, my name is whatever, and I am addicted to Diet Coke.
     
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    Helen,

    I have lost 12 lbs hiking 4.5 miles/day and eating only 1/3 cup rice each meal, and refraining from deep fried food, and chocolate, and fries, and burgers, and all those other things that keep the blood sugar and the blood pressure up.

    But tonight, my wife and I attended this Online Stores seminar, and they served fries, and burgers, and chocolate cakes, and I went back three times.

    Did I sin ?
     
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    First, you put yourself in a dangerous situation----hiking 4.5 miles/day with only 1 cup rice spread out over 3 meals----is this your only source of food intake per day??? If so---it is less than a starvation diet. Starvation diet is 300 calories or less per day

    Sir---back in WW2---Geneva Convention's Code of War concerning Prisoners of War demanded that each prisoner receive no less than 4000 calories/day in nutritional food value----now---granted---war is idiotic---and when war is idiotic---idiotic men do idiotic things and not all prisoners actually received that required amount. I'm surprised you are still able to stand on your two feet and not faint---with just 1 cup of rice a day---on top of hikeing 4.5 miles/day----Maaaaan, you are some kind of man!!!

    Did you sin when you ate those hamburgers and fries???? All depends on the size of 'um!! Burger King whoppers are big---and I can't handle but one at a meal---they're hefty in calories---about 950/burger-----Crystal Burger on the other hand----I can eat a truck load of 'um and it won't phase me!!!
     
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    You know what is funny? That lead post was essentially serious. But, and perhaps rightfully so, many have taken it in a humorous vein. But none of the legalists seem to want to respond. I wonder why not? Does legalism NOT extend to using some chemicals to alter your mind while it comes down hard on others? I'm not talking legal vs. illegal here. I'm talking all legal stuff...

    Caffeine IS addictive. We know that. It's not wildly addictive, but it is there. I don't do well without my cuppa tea in the mornings.

    Chocolate is, for me as for so many others, a 'comfort food.' You actually do get a good feeling from it. Maybe because it is made from the cocoa plant? It's mild, but it's there.

    Of course, I'm the one who considers banana squash with butter and salt a comfort food, too....:smilewinkgrin:

    Here is the main question. Is it wrong to ingest substances which are legal and which alter your mind in one way or another -- soothing it, helping you sleep, waking you up, keeping you going...whatever? Where is the line drawn by those who are so upset about a glass of wine, for instance? Is wine wrong while caffeine, sleeping pills, sedatives, muscle relaxers, etc., are fine? I'm seriously curious about where the line is drawn here.
     
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    Helen;
    I will make this one comment. It is bad enough to drink acohol but then to make a mockery out of it and use coffee for a defense is laughable. That is why I don't enter this topic. The name of this thread is a lead on for a fight and I for one are not going to compare acohol to coffee. It is ridiculous and then bring in chocolate cake. Jeepers, if we going to have a discussion at least lets not be childish about it.
     
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    Helen is not being childish, nor is she attempting to use caffeine as a defense for drinking alcohol. It is a good question and it deserves an answer. Why is it OK to alter your mood with a little caffeine but not with a little alcohol? That appears inconsistent to me, so why am I wrong?
     
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    Ok......, have a good night.
     
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    Thank you, whatever.

    Bob, it is a serious question. Where do you draw the line, and why? I am not mocking anything. I don't drink coffee, by the way. Others are treating the thread humorously and I did find myself smiling, but the lead post is serious. There was my situation --- no, there IS my situation -- and there is what I did about it this afternoon.

    By the way, when I went out to feed the beasties, Chris got into the snacks I had ready for tomorrow night's Bible study here as well as the watermelon pieces I had out on the counter because they were too old and needed to be tossed (we grew some watermelons this summer). If I was ever going to use wine to get drunk, that would have been a good time, given the rest of my schedule! But I didn't. I have absolutely no interest in numbing myself that way. I just took a deep breath and cleaned up and told myself that was a lesson about making sure the pantry was locked and that I didn't leave anything on the counter for even a moment if I wasn't in the kitchen. He doesn't seem to be getting sick off the watermelon, for which I thank God. We had him in the hospital a year ago because we forgot to lock the fridge and he got into the cheese and was constipated so badly (a pound of cheese will do that...) that he needed to be hospitalized.

    No wine. No drugs at all for that mess. But I sure was glad I was awake enough to handle it.

    So you see, my question is a very serious one for those of you who have been, to my mind, so legalistic about certain things (and there are those here who are legalistic about things other than wine, too, by the way, so this is not being asked of simply that group).

    WHERE do you draw the line, and WHY?

    Thank you.
     
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    Ditto, ditto, ditto.

     
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    I do believe, Sister Helen that the legalists "beef" would be the intoxicating influence of alcohol and its damaging effects while under its influence. While caffiene in coffee would no doubt be addictive---one is not considered "intoxicated" while under its influence---so therefore---coffee is not an intoxicating beverage---neither is coke products----though I've seen some people under the influence of Mountain Dew.

    There is caffiene---and other such stuff---in chocolate---but when one eats a Snickers---they can never worry about being arrested for being under its influence. An influencer---is just that!! It influences!! It influences you do things that you would probably never do had you not been under its influence.

    I've seen men---who would not dare hit their wives---become violent while under the influence of alcohol and smack their wives all over the house. It will influence you to laugh--when you ought not to laugh---and to cry when you ought not to!! It makes a strong man weak and a weak man strong---it influences men and women to be loud and obnoxious when the situation does not call for them to be loud and obnoxious. It makes a man who doesn't ordinarily say anything---to say something and then on the other hand---it influences a man who ordinarily talks his fool head off to not say a word.

    I just don't get that in Folgers or Snickers!

    Sorry, Sister!!

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    David, I understand your point, and it is a good one. What about Rx sedatives, muscle relaxers, and the like? Even pain killers can make you 'loopy.' I know. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt! I hate the feeling. I sure know I couldn't drive like that!

    But there are those who do. And they can be arrested for DUI (driving under the influence) in the same way a drunk can.

    In the Bible, the term often translated as 'sorcery' definitely includes the use of mind-altering drugs. Sedatives are exactly that.

    So help me out here. I do see a strict prohibition implied, at least, regarding that kind of thing, whereas I don't see it for wine -- only strong warnings about over-use. So what's going on? Why can a Christian take a sedative and not a glass of wine?

    I accept your point about caffeine, although I do know that truck drivers who depend on it to stay awake are a total danger on the roads -- just as much as any old drunk behind the wheel. But would that be use vs. over-use?

    Please understand that I am not trying to bait anyone. I really and honestly do not understand the idea of prohibition where alcohol is concerned but not so many other things which I personally think are far more dangerous or at least AS dangerous in over-use, just as alcohol is in over-use.

    I hope my place on this issue is clear. I am trying to understand yours (plural). Thank you again.
     
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    Hannah, when accused of drinking alcohol told Eli that she had not drank wine and not to confuse her with the daughters of Belial. That should tell one that the alcohol is not of God.

    I'm with David on the coffee and snickers. Never seen anyone act out of the ordinary after ingesting those (although I won't eat a Klondike Bar after the commercials I have seen for them... must be a powerful drug in them)

    Seriously,

    James tells us to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin. Sometimes people do not see the sin for their prejudice toward that sin. In other words, I like it, it tastes good, I don't indulge; many excuses to satisfy the lusts of the flesh.

    As to your question, if you are truly not being sarcastic in a attempt ot make the abstainers from alcohol look foolish, then I would say, 'If you have doubts, then you should not drink the tea either. It may be the Holy Spirit telling you something.

    Also, the Greek word for sorcery is pharmakeia, from which we get pharmacy. I believe it includes any mind altering drug,

    BTW, the reason I have not posted in a few hours is our church is in revival this week and I just now found this thread.
     
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    I'm not the least bit worried about tea. I was wondering if anyone else was. Remember, I am not worried about wine, either.

    What I, personally, AM worried about, and what I think is wrong about 99% of the time, are mind-altering drugs used by so much of the populace, including little kids (think ritalin, etc.). I am seriously concerned, as a Christian, that by dulling the senses so one does not feel depressed or hyper or guilty, or whatever, our medical establishment is contributing to the degradation of an entire culture.

    Now that is my personal opinion. I associate that with pharmaceuticals, and I am of the personal opinion that the Bible is warning about that at least as strongly as it does about alcohol.

    So if you folks who honestly believe -- and we differ, but that is not the point here -- that all wine and any kind of alcohol is of Satan, what about the pharmaceuticals? What about sleep aids, truckers on tons of caffeine, anti-depressants, etc? What is your stand on these?

    By the way, Eli accused Hannah of being drunk, not of simply having a glass of wine. Her response was that she had had nothing at all and the implication was that therefore she could not possibly be drunk.
     
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    Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. (Isaiah 26:3)

    Where is your peace at?
     

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