...sometimes these experiences make it easier to see the world's perception of Christians. This woman was talking about losing her father 14 years ago, her mother and brother just recently and was making statements like "God is good always"..."He is always in control"...a supporter of hers added "No one can be called back to the Father unless HE decrees it!" So I asked if I were dealing with Calvinists; they said they "put no labels" to themselves. I added, "because you think no one loses his life without God decreeing it; therefore a murderer did not have any choice but to murder." Then they changed their contention to "God allows it." So I asked, "And does 'allow' necessarily mean 'decree?'" This 'started it.' They wouldn't answer that question no matter how many times I repeated it. Just more "God is always in control"... "God loves everybody"..."He has a perfect will"... but then one added, "Nothing will be held back from him who asks." To that I said, "Then ask Him the day, hour, and year of Jesus' return." To this the answers were "no one knows the day or the hour," et al (expectedly). So I reminded, "You did say-- unconditionally-- that God will withhold nothing from the one who asks, didn't you?" Answers: "You can ask amiss"..."Jesus comes back every day in my heart"... Again, multiple repeats of the question gets nothing but these self-important biblically-sounding phrases. Cross-examining fellow Christians can be fun, funny, unfunny, and unfun all at the same time. But even though this was a chatroom, when Christians go around throwing ideas out that they think are so 'spiritual' and then they can't defend those ideas under scrutiny... it's little wonder the world thinks this is nothing but a psycho kick and we can't be reasoned with.