"I need to be baptized again....."

Thanks. Now,which ones would not qualify?

 

Hope that my Baptist Church would see them as being valid, as my pastor is alumi of DTS!

 

So, are you saying the the administrator of baptism (church or individual) is not important?

JesusFan and I disagree as to the qualifications of the administrator, but we do agree on the importance.

Looks to me as if we generally agree on the mode--immersion; the subject--a believer; and the design--to picture the gospel.

We don't see eye to eye on the Administrator or whether baptism is the door to membership in the local church.

 

This would also be a question of the ordinances for the church. Water Baptism is an Ordinance for the New Testament Church as is The Lord's Supper can one practice open communion and limit baptism to being a this specific. Could again folks who have been immersed following the Tinirarian formula be allowed to partake of the Lord's supper in an open communion church.

 

Since I hold to Closed Communion, I'll leave the answer to someone who is Open, regarding what baptism is acceptable.

I'm assuming the Trinitarian formula is "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

There is a formula called Trine baptism that goes this way:
"In the name of the Father." Dunk
"In the name of the Son," Dunk
"In the name of the Holy Spirit." Dunk

BTW, there is at least one faith group that baptizes "in Jesus Name" only. Any thoughts about that practice?

 

The churc h I grew up hired a pastor who practiced that over that and several things he taught I found another church. He said "Jesus" representd all three.

 

I believe the administrator of baptism has no effect on its validity. However, as a matter of order, I think the administration of baptism should be reserved to ordained ministers except in extraordinary situations.

 

Jesus walked, what was it, 40 miles to be baptized by John. He could have gotten anybody to do it, but he sought out one man. He thought the administrator was important.

Let's take your view to its natural logical conclusion. If I read you right, you'd have no problem inviting the RCC priest to baptize in your church's baptistry. Or some drunk off the street? I know, that's a bit much, but that's where your view eventually takes you, even if you don't want to go there.

 

He went to John because John was the Prophet preaching the Lord as at Hand, and the Father revealed to John that Jesus was indeed His son. The administrator of the Baptism had nothing to do with this.

He was not saying an RCC priest nor a drunk off the street, but a believer would be able too. He also qualified it as in rare cases. I have seen deacons allowed to Baptize so would deacons be allowed to baptize folks if the Pastor wasn't available or it was the deacons child or grandchild or would you limit it to just a pastor?

 

that is a heretical group within pentacostal circles that claimed a "revrelation" from God in 1914 that jesus IS the trinity, or more accuratly, all of the Godhead in Him alone, Modulism, he is the father/Son/Spirit different times...

Also believe MUST be baptized JUSt in His name to be valid, needs to be done to be saved, and must speak in tongues to evidence salvation...

denounced as a heresy by assemblies of God ...

 

We have the Sen and Youth pastor both batize Chrsitians, even have had elders baptize own children...

is there EVEN a Biblical mandate saying ONLY certain can baptize, or it left up to be authorized by each local Church will be allowed to administer it?

 

Catholic/Lutherern/Greek/Russian orthodox Church, Presby/reformed

Basically any group that either has doctrines different from Evangelicals, or have a different mode for baptism!

 

I get in trouble here, since I don't think the administrator has to be ordained clergy.

I KNOW I date myself, but agreed in the 60's and agree now with those that lead another person to faith in Christ, find abundant water (swimming pool, seashore, etc) and baptize them.

Not about joining a local body, but about announcing to the world Jesus has saved you.

I also realize most Baptists consider that unorthodox. That's ok, I believe insisting on ordained clergy is an RCC thing to do.

 

There is a reason why we pushed for pastors and deacons to handle baptisms, and that is associated with the loose society, both church and political.

The only mandate in the scriptures is to be buried in water, and rising again to symbolize the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is a witness, but there is nothing saying it cannot be in private..........but what is the point in privacy?

Cheers,

Jim

 

If they were baptised using the Trinitarian formula, then it should be valid. And, as you stated, there is ""ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism."

WM

 

Let me add: I believe any local church has every right to set membership requirements as they understand the scriptures.

So if they want to do the baptizing, or make sure it was done to their specs, that is their business.

I just understand and agree with those Christians that believe any born again believer can baptize. I agree with those who when told their baptism is not valid decide to remain attenders rather than members.

But then again, I don't believe the church has any lay members.

 

Again, both amusing and ironic to me that we can decide NOT to allow membership in a local Church, yet God has already accepted their membership into HIS Church!

 

I knew a preacher once that had been saved in an Independent Baptist church and baptized. He was preaching for a different brand of baptist and they wanted to call him as their pastor, but he would have to be re-baptized in order to become their pastor, he never pastored that church.

 

Good thing John baptized Jesus!

No one could refute those creditials, as the prophet sent before the Messiah!

 

I tend to agree.

But since I believe in soul competency, I have to allow those that believe only their church gets to decide who can join that freedom.

I just don't have to join them

In my "home church" 40 or so years ago there was a very dedicated lady who had been baptized in an independent Baptist church. We were SBC and she was not allowed to join without getting wet again.

She refused and just served quietly.

Not one person in that church could give a good reason not to let her join. But our pastor said he would leave if we voted her in without baptizing her, as "alien baptism could cost him his credentials and reputation."

And let me add this: I believe the only baptism that really counts is the Holy Spirit baptism that takes place when a person is saved. That is the "wedding." Water baptism is just the wedding announcement in the local newspaper.

Also, I've heard of private baptisms but unless you believe water saves, why? The outside of the purvue of the church baptisms I know of were very much celebrated and public.