I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

Does this beard qualify me for sinless perfection?:saint:

Cheers,

Jim

 

Isnt' this a holiness view that was preached by Wesley? I also think the (Church of the) Nazarenes may have this belief, that one can attain a sin-free state.

 

I do believe Paul described it as glorification, the time when we are made like Christ. The only problem is that this does not occur until we have shed this current mortality, commonly known as death. Great question, by the way.

Exactly.

Well said. Those of this persuation that have been willing to talk about have shown that "sin" becomes renamed as something else, something less benign. The only problem is that a skunk by any other name still stinks. God does not see sin in degrees, or "shortcomings" as something else; God is perfectly holy and He calls 'em like He sees 'em.

jygf77, we are not trying to condemn you or give you a hard time, really. Anyone who comes through here and lamblasts somehing of this magnitude will have to be ready, willing, and able to back it up. Most here are well-seasoned (not old, mind you) Christian and have been through the trenches with things like this. Come and let us reason together and see if we can learn from one another.

 

Good answer, too! Going up to your neck of the woods next week. If you have time maybe we can get together or we can drive up there and visit a service. I'll PM you later. God bless.

 

A former pastor of mine once commented, "Let me define sin and I can live above it, too."

 

Baloney to be nice

 

Very good summary of the subject!:thumbsup:

 

This thread is a remake of another thread that went around about two years ago called the "24 Hour Sinless Day." It was proven wrong with Scripture then. The whole concept is a gross misunderstanding of the Gospel, and a terrible idea to teach weak or new Christians.

I will guarantee you, with 100% certainty, that the originator of this thread cannot live up to his own post for even one hour, in either thought, deed, or motive.

 

Preach, look at it this way, not fed, but scared away...

Sometimes It's good to answer them for the benefit of those babes in Christ for whom they are lying in wait.

HankD

 

Well, he can if he simply declares some things not to be sin. Shoot, we do it all the time. How many times have we said, or heard somebody say, "well, i just don't think (fill in the blank) is wrong." Or, "I don't see anything wrong with that."

I'm quite certain our Original Poster seeks holy living. I'll bet he's a really good guy, and strives to please God in all that he does, says or thinks.

And although I usually counsel my brother saturneptune to use milder terminology when expressing disagreement with someone, in this case I concur with his description of the OP's view:

 

Hehe..how many own fuzz busters?:laugh:

 

I do. And I'm not ashamed to admit it.

 

Almost Jim, I just see one dark area, and that is enough to cancel all the other lovely bright bits

 

One thing I will say, if your bearing fruit, the fruit that lasts that is, sin will be something overcome, and that by our faith which is the gift of God.

Never sinless, but we can do well I think. Not think actually, am sure.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about, nor from your posts, do you have any grasp of the Gospel. You are making two fatal errors. One, you cannot live up to your own standards, and two, you are posting a works salvation.

Lesser errors you make but none the less errors, is to classify sins before a Holy God. Your quote that says "That doesn't mean we won't make mistakes. But a sincere mistake done out of love is very different from a sin done out of hate" is not what Scripture says. Sin is sin, and one is as bad as another before God.

Another quote of yours:
John says it very clearly for us. "anyone born of God does not continue to sin." When you stop sinning, you have truly been born again. If you sin, you have proven that never really knew God. He stands ready to forgive... He is the God of the 2nd chance.
But know this: being "born again" is not necessarily the same thing as "believing." Re-birth can happen when you believe, but it doesn't necessarily happen when you believe. See, for instance, John 8:30-35. Read it. Believe it.

That sir, is baloney, as I said in an above post, to put it nicely. You have truly been born again when you are regenerated from above, the moment you put your faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross, not when you stop sinning. Again, you post a works salvation. The only thing you said that was accurate is God stands ready to forgive. Your last paragraph does not even make sense. It seems to be an odd blend of God's sovereignty and free-will. If one truly believes, one is saved. One would not truly believe unless revealed to him from Above.

Instead of you wishing God's peace for others, pray for knowledge for yourself.