I think most Baptists have Romans 7 totally wrong

An unwholesome word is what? That which offends ann?

 

Have you watched TV lately? Don't tell me you don't know what unwholesome words are.

 

Actually, I base it off of this passage:

Sin in the Christian's life comes through the flesh (or it's members). While it is true that our Soul cannot sin and we have the Power of the Holy Spirit to overcome, resist and defeat sin in our lives, it doesn't mean we always will and when we do fail, it is because of our still present sinful flesh. Our Redemption isn't just about our Souls. It's also about the ultimate release of our bodies from the presence and effect of sin. It happens when the Church gets gathered/changed together, alive or first resurrected.

 

Just pointing out that this is an appeal to nature, or common knowledge, not to Scripture.

Why else would heathens know that rock music ain't church, it's sex and drugs?

Exactly.

 

Music is not an object. It is an action, but that's a topic for another thread. My point is that you're arguing against your own logic, and It's a hoot!

 

I just want to know are you sin less today? Christ said there is no man with out sin. Our spirits have been regenerated but what of our flesh. It has not been saved nor has it been regenerated or born again. What you fail to see is that we are free from sin but our flesh still has sin dwelling with in it.
MB

 

You're right, but I'm not sure the matter will get much fair attention at this rate. I believe there is much in the scripture still unknown and still sitting on the coffee table next to the chair by the TV.

 

We should not be too hasty here. This subject deserves a fair hearing. Let the poster present the case and then we can comment on what he has said instead of what we think he is saying.

 

The Bible sets the bar rather higher than lower for the Christian walk. Of course we sin, but we can gain victory over sin and can even walk above sin if we manage to enter into the proper mature relationship with the Lord. The point is, we are not any better Christians to be able to avoid sin in our lives, it is that we find the total victory over sin in life by walking with God.

We have a new nature which is spoken of in 1 John 3:9 as being without sin. But we also have a carnal, fleshly nature in which dwelleth no good thing, as spoken of by Paul in Romans 7 and in Gal. 5:16-17:

"This I say, then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

Here is the paradox: If we walk in the Spirit we SHALL NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh, but, in our flesh, we CANNOT DO the things that we should. These things are not contradictory, but teach the same thing.

There is a secret, which I believe the OP was onto, which must be taught and learned by God's people if they are to ever walk pleasing to God. God is not pleased with Christians slogging through life in the flesh. They that are in the flesh cannot please God. How can we ever hope to 'walk in the Spirit', then?

I won't go farther for now, but I will leave this:

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." (Rom. 8:13)

 

When we fail to make a distinction, as God does, between the saved and the lost, we do great disservice to sinners struggling with sin. Christians are expected by God to be perfect and walk in perfection. But when believers are taught that such 'goals' are too lofty to be achieved, the saved and the lost are again dumped together back into the cesspool of sin. Nowhere in the Bible does God group the wicked with the righteous. God makes a difference between the two for many reasons.

Of course Christians sin. The Bible is written for the purpose of instructing people that God hates sin and the flesh and is never pleased by those walking in either. Christians are expected to clean themselves up and get out of that gutter, and the Bible teaches us how to do it.

Look at Peter arguing with the Lord about having his feet washed. Peter was wrong for saying he didn't just need his feet washed, but his whole body (John 13). On the surface that looked to be a mark of humility on Peter's part, admitting he was so sinful. In reality, however, there was nothing humble about it at all. He was arguing with God, just like Christians do today when the Bible tells them they are no longer filthy after they get saved, but are "clean every whit", except for their walk.

Christians need to understand that they are expected by God to walk in the Spirit and not walk in sin, and Christians CAN walk with God that way, if they apply themselves in learning how to trust God to fight the battles for them. As a final point for now, I would like to highlight 1 Cor. 6:9-11;

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? ... neither...(any and all sins and sinners) ...shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such WERE some of you, but (NOW) ye are washed..."

We don't have to live like a bunch of pigs in the slop. We can walk uprightly, if we can ever grow up in the Lord.

 

You missed a fourth option, that you might not yet have it figured out at all.

 

Thanks for posting. I don't come that much because I visit other sites as well and sometimes I get locked into debates there which can take weeks to get through. I have posted over 2,000 times on each of at least 3 different sites in the last year, but on this site I look like a newbie drive-by troll, I'm sure, especially to those who may disagree with what I say.

I agree the Paul was speaking of his current inner battles as a Christian. Paul was also trying to get Christians to realize that losing the battles is not supposed to be a given in the Christian life.

I appreciated how you dealt with the issue in the previous threads. I am just finishing reading the whole thing and I appreciate you.

P.S. I really messed this up. I wasn't paying attention and busted everything up because my mouse tripped up on me. I'm not goind to retype it, though. I'm sure you can put it together. Thanks again.

 

(Edited to add: Sorry, just realised this is a resurrected thread)

Does it, Jason? I thought it meant "follower of Christ". Similar to the "Nicolaitans" in Revelation 2:6 & 15, who were followers of someone named Nicolaus, possiblibly Nicolaus of Antioch, not "Little Nicolauses", and Herodians in Matthew 22.16, who were supporters of the cause of King Herod, not "Little Herods".

But I don't know New Testament Greek; if someone who does know that language tells me that Cristianov does indeed mean "little Christ", I will have to think again.

Anyway, welcome to the Baptist Board!