Ideas that should be embraced by both sides

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  1. YOUTUBECANBESAVED

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    At its best wind power would be very limited. While it can be a small part of our energy needs it will never be more than that. And while we may import 70 % of our oil only about 20 % comes from the middle east.

    We need to begin drilling domestically immediately. We need to ramp up coal mining immediately. We need to build Nuclear P0wer Plants immediately as well as implementing the other things that will have so little impact such as conservation, wind, solar etc.
     
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    I disagree , 2nd Part of T. Boone Pickens a Plan


    Even T. Boone Pickens a successful oil man says we cannot drill ourselves out of this crisis.

    "little impact such as conservation, wind, solar etc" I think not they are having a major impact and will continue to have an ever growing impact the point is to have incentives and innovations to spur them on.

    We do not need to continue to keep shooting up like a heroin addict and keep inserting that hypodermic needle into the nations life veins that just enables and continues the addiction.

    Here is T. Boone's plan a 2nd Part to my 1st post
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQa-ibNOKM

    Notice that the United States has a tremendous sweet spot for Wind generation that runs from North to South from Canada to Mexico it is the best placement and
    gift from God in the World. amen

    I noticed I said sweet spot more realistically it is a sweet band that is in the center of the United States which would bless the east and west since God in his sovereignty blessed us with this mighty wind that no one else has.



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    Wind will never have more than a minimal impact on our energy needs. And just because he is an oil man doesn't mean he doesn't have an agenda and is being completely honest.

    Anyway nuke plants and coal should have a major part in our energy needs right a long side drilling and processing.
     
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    What is your evidence that wind will always be only a minor player in our energy needs?
     
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    Coal will be dirty in the near future. On the other hand, when the dollar is two or three to the euro and and the middle class is down to 25% coal might be all the working poor can afford to but for residential heating. I haven't seen a coal yard in years.

    Now that many people have air tight outside vented wood stoves I suspect that they could burn coal sort of clean especially with a catalytic do-dad in the stove pipe and a little forced draft blower.

    I propose that coal dust and coal chips could be mixed with sawdust, wood chips, and binder and made into a cheaper per btu stove log. They could be paper wrapped with a starter mixture on the ends for clean handling and burning. This public notice constitutes a defacto copywrite. <G>
     
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    Response to T.Boone Pickens motives


    I disagree I think it tells a lot that he is an oil man now remember he was successful in that field(no pun meant)

    Just off the top of my head in the video speaking of his plan he speaks that he will be too old to perhaps see the fruits of this labor.

    but in the following videos a response to your concern that he has an agenda is answered.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDua06jrghQ&feature=related
    He states in this video it is out of duty to country in crisis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSeZEmnNhY
    In this video he states it is his billions and his risk/gamble with the motive of profit. I feel that is rock core American values. If anything he states he will pioneer the way for you and me to also get into the market of renewables to feed the grid. Again it is his risk with confidence and others would benefit as well, thankyou Mr. Pickens.

    Also listen at 3:24 especially about drilling for oil today at depths of 20- 25,000 feet he says it is a finite resource and expensive he would rather put his risk into renewables.

    I do not know what your plan is Rev. you sound like an old ideologue who is not open to changing your ways. Kind of like the guy who goes to a meeting and puts a hex on every new idea that is put on the table but offers nothing new and innovative.

    In Iran today they discovered a field of one billion of the sweetest crude.That billion barrels delivered to the market would only last less than a year once on line and the terrible thing is all those euro and petrol dollars goes into the pockets of people we would rather not support. 1 to 3 billion barrel fields peak very quickly and then go down, the addiction is that grotesque.
     
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    You do not know me well enough to know this. And new doesn't always mean better. I could care less where our energy source comes from. If it is oil great. If it is something else it is no skin off my nose. What I do not like is the creation of barriers to legitimate and available energy sources for political means that run up the costs unnecessarily and hurt people in the process so that the worshipers of creation can feel better about themselves.
     
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    Coal gasification is a process that can create a clean fuel from coal. It's been tried and it works. The major roadblock is the big oil companies.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4218251.html
     
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    The major roadblock has been the economics. It had great promise at one time and several companies invested heavily in it. It might again be worth it but it's an expensive process to construct and to operate. Nothing is as easy as it looks. It takes energy to extract energy. Energy resources are often not located where energy consumers are located. There's also the problem of all the federal, state, and local permitting which is a very large expense. There has to be adequate profit margin to make it worth the investment for the owners. The energy industry - including the so-called "big oil companies" would be just as happy to make money doing this as anything else. But they, like everyone else, goes for the best return on investment. That's why people dump poor performing stock and but there money where it can make more money for them.
     
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    My nearby gasoline has a price for Unleaded (Regular): $3.99.9. That I round to $4.00 a gallon.

    Opening Post: //I actually agree with Joh McCain on this the best and our brightest should be competing in a manhattan style project to get us off filthy middle east oil.//

    Our brightest and best are now working on how Google & Microsoft can overtake the world.

    Crabtownboy: // What is your evidence that wind will always be only a minor player in our energy needs?//

    Take the world energy usage for any recent year. Take the amount of energy that each tower will have to raise, divide that into the total world energy usage. How are you going to make about four times that many blades (40 foot blades (Wings) running around at 30MPH cannot be made save by blended metals: one part of the blade being of a different metal than another part - we do it with internal baldes (like in jet engines).

    How much energy will it take to build all those blades?

    And why? Since our grandchildren will be paying for it, we might as well use their share of the oil in the world.

    GREEN POWER!
     
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    It isn't that the price of fuel is so high it's that the value of the dollar is so low.
     

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