If a Jewish state is to be created ............

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jjOOpEvMHA


    Watch Ambassador Danny Ayalon as he rebuttals to "The real Truth about Palestine"
    "Palestine was the Greco-Roman name for a region. In the year 135 AC, the name of the region became the official name of one of the provinces of the Roman Empire in an attempt to obliterate the connection between the Jewish people and Judea - the land they've inhabited for over 1000 years.
    However, like Antarctica, the Amazons or the Sahara, naming a place doesn't create a nation of Antarcticans or Saharans.
    Oh, and for the record, Jesus was not a Palestinian, he was a Judean Jew."
     
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    Israel's Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Danny Ayalon explains the historical facts relating to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The video explains where the terms "West Bank", "occupied territories" and "67 Borders" originated and how they are incorrectly used and applied.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo#t=62
     
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    Rev. please stop replying and attempting the derail the topic.

    Here is another quote by Lawrence and a few paragraphs from the book, Lawrence In Arabia.


     
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    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has launched an international campaign to achieve recognition by the United Nations for an independent Palestinian state. Abbas and his international supporters claim that only Israel (with the United States) stands in the way of this act of historical justice, which would finally bring about peace in the Middle East.

    This video debunks the Palestinians' claim and shows that Abbas has been lying about the origins and history of the conflict. Palestinian leaders have rejected partition plans that would have given them much more land for their independent state than the Jews were offered for theirs. Rather than being the innocent victims of a "dispossession" at the hands of the Israelis, the Palestinians rejected reasonable compromises and instead pursued their aim of getting rid of the only Jewish state in the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U
     
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    You continue to attempt to derail the thread. Shame on you!
     
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    “Creating Israel on land already inhabited by Palestinians would ‘imperil not only American but all Western interests in the Near East.'” — Dean Acheson, Secretary of State under Harry Truman, 1947.
     
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    OK then tell me what the topic of this thread is and then tell me how my posts have been off topic.
     
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    "The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem..."

    By Jews for Justice in the Middle East
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
     
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    The problem was made much more profound by the Brits and French promising both the Arabs and the Zionists their independent homeland ... which happened to be the same land.



    It is surprising that the Arabs do not trust any promises made by a western government?

     
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    So no answer?
     
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    The OP reads:

    This was simply a prediction by Lawrence of Arabia that a Jewish state could not come into being without force of arms and that the people already living there would be hostile. He was correct in his prediction.
     
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    Then my replied were on topic.
     
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    "Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them, They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit. "I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

    Amos 9:14-15 NAS77
     
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    14 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
    15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
    16 After these things I will return, And I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen; And I will build again the ruins thereof, And I will set it up:
    17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
    18 Saith the Lord, who maketh these things known from of old. Acts 15 [Amos 9:9-11]

    15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
    16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

    2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision:
    3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3
     
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    The Arabs do not and never will "trust" the west. They do not consider the west as anything more than a territory to conquer because it is ruled by infidels.

    Thomas Jefferson, when in Europe as an ambassador, confronted the Arab leadership about the pirates supported by the Arabs.

    He was told most plainly that the west was never going to be a friend of the Arab, the religion prevented it.

    When he became president, the navy was sent over and destroyed the pirates and drove the leadership into submission. "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli" the Tripoli refers directly to how Jefferson dealt with the Arabs - how we should deal with the Arabs. (NOTE: this is the Muslim Arabs - not the Christians. Christian Arabs have been highly persecuted by BOTH the Jews and Arabs in their own land.)

    The same must and will continue to happen to the Palestinian / Jew conflict. The Arab know only one rule - dominate or be dominated. They run their own lands with that rule, and try to impose it wherever they go.

    They must either be dominated into submission, or their religion requires them to dominate.

    edit: It is assumed the readers understand that the first US "Navy" were actually "Marines" (from mariners) and some may consider the forerunners of the modern navy seals. They not only sailed the ships but fought both on land and sea.
     
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    I find the time line interesting.

    AFTER these things (after the gentile people are "taken out" or saved as compared to the Jews) then the next step.

    The residue of men - what of the rest? They died in the great tribulation.

    Only a small residue is left to start the Millennial reign of Christ.
     
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    I find it interesting that CTB upholds D.H. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") as the person to which we should look to as the standard for which one should admire as being the one to found a new Jewish state in the region of Palestine.

    Granted, Lawrence wanted to establish a "state" in what then was called Palestine, but only if he himself could be its sole dictatorial tyrant.

    While at first the British seemed to welcome him for his military successes in "Palestine," those so-called "successes" were only accomplished by an armed force mostly made up men who were forcibly made to join his so-called army whose ONLY allegiance was to Lawrence himself.

    His so-called army was mainly comprised of men who, upon whom were faced with the choice of either being tortured or killed on the spot.

    When the British found out about how Lawrence's merciless impressment of innocent men, they quickly disavowed any association with him.

    The only reason Lawrence was able to accomplish what he did was due mainly the fact that both the British and the French (the only major western European nations that had any significant influence in the Middle East [or the "Levant" as it was more popularly known during those times] were more concerned with what was happening much closer to home--namely the almost unchallenged rise of Adolph Hitler in the post-WW1 Germany.

    Germany's economy at that time was basically destroyed because of the very heavy amount of war reparations it was forced to pay the victorious western European nations.

    The German's couldn't possibly repay such huge amounts of money to the victorious British and French, but because they had to accede to the unreasonable terms of the Versailles Treaty, they had to do so.

    Consequently the Germans looked to the one man who claimed that his brand of national socialism (i.e., Nazism) would lead them to a new "Third Reich."

    Although the "Great Depression" was practically a global one, its effects weren't relatively that bad in Germany during the early 1930's. Her war-based economy actually put many Germans back to work, especially when Hitler successfully occupied the Rhineland (Which the so-called League of Nations "asked" Hitler not to do so!)

    Hitler could have cared less about what the very weak League of Nations wanted to do; thus he marched right into the heavily industrialized region of Germany and forced most of that region's industries to convert to making aircraft and tanks that would be the weapons that would form the crux of his Blitzkrieg strategy.

    So, with both Britain and France evacuating most of its League of Nations mandates in the Middle East, Lawrence filled that vacuum by rising to power in "Palestine."

    Fortunately, Lawrence's dictatorial grasp of power in that region was short-lived because not only many of those Middle Eastern nations were so shocked at his tyrannical rule that they raised organized armies against him, but also because his sources of arms and other equipment were diverted to re-arm nations that were also more concerned with Hitler's threats to their own nations.

    Lawrence himself also grew tired of continually fighting and turned to writing--writing that was so overtly sinful that many nations refused to allow any of his ungodly writings to enter their boarders.

    If a Christian were wont to choose a man to support a new Jewish state in Palestine, D. H. Lawrence would certainly NOT be the one to do so.
     
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    Well, that's NOT at all the way the council at Jerusalem is interpreting the passage. The incoming of the Gentiles IS the restoration of Israel.

    You also looking for a literal resurrected David to reign in this future millennia?

    23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
    24 And I, Jehovah, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Jehovah, have spoken it. Ezek 34

    24 And my servant David shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in mine ordinances, and observe my statutes, and do them.
    25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children`s children, for ever: and David my servant shall be their prince for ever. Ezek 37

    9 but they shall serve Jehovah their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. Jer 30

    3 Incline your ear, and come unto me; hear, and your soul shall live: and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
    4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander to the peoples.
    5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not; and a nation that knew not thee shall run unto thee, because of Jehovah thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee. Isa 55

    5 afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek Jehovah their God, and David their king, and shall come with fear unto Jehovah and to his goodness in the latter days. Hos 3
     
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    Concerning the great tribulation, i.e., the time of Jacob's trouble; done already, completed, fulfilled, finished:

    21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24

    19 For those days shall be tribulation, such as there hath not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be.
    30 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, until all these things be accomplished. Mk 13

    23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
    32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lu 21
     

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