My husband and I have been talking about some of the threads on Calvinism here, and what has been put forward by those defending Calvinist theology. In one thread it was mentioned that even the very hairs of our head are numbered, thus God has predestined even that. I asked if I pulled out a hair if that would then be because I was predestined to do it, and the answer was yes. Which led me to the conclusion that there is nothing any of us can do or say or think which is not predestined. To me that makes us automatons, but that is not the point of this post. My point is that, if Calvinism is true, and everything we do and say and think and are is predestined and ordered by God, then we run into some problems: 1. There is no such thing as disobedience -- it is impossible. If God predestines everything then there is no possibility of disobedience, which means obedience has no meaning. 2. Laws, be they human or divine, are futile. Each man does what God plans and directs him to do, and thus to make a law against what God has directed is nonsense. But, then, I suppose God caused the laws to be made, too....and then caused the people to act against them.... 3. There is no such thing as accountability. If we can only do and say and think and be what we are predestined to do and say and think and be, then we are most certainly not responsible for what we have no control over, and therefore cannot be held accountable for what God has caused is to do, say, think, be. 4. Prayer is nonsensical. Why ask for God to do His will or to ask for guidance on an issue, or healing or anything if God simply does what He does without regard to man? How silly to pray "Thy will be done" when there is NO possibility of anything else to be done? And what on earth (or anywhere else) did Jesus mean when He prayed "Not my will, but Thine, be done."? 5. Why strive, as Paul told us to do, to run the race? We can only do what we are predestined to do and if we strive that is because God caused it and if we do not strive that is because God did not cause it, or caused it not to happen. 6. Faith has no meaning. One does not need to have faith, for one is saved or not saved regardless. That's just a start. Calvinism actually negates the entire Bible in one way or another. The if/then clauses become nonsense. God's invitation to reason with him in Isaiah 1 becomes nonsense. All calls to repentance become nonsense. If God has already ordained all that is going to happen, even to if I pull a hair out of my head, then we might as well eat, drink, and be merry, for nothing is going to change what happens to each of us no matter what! Of course, you can't blame those who choose to eat, drink, and be merry, can you? God predestined them to do just that and they are operating according to the Manufacturer's instructions.