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If Caroline's last name were Pailn

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Dec 19, 2008.

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    And vice-versa.
     
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    Really? When was the last time the right sent 50 lawyers of the home town of any candidate to investigate them?
     
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    Never mind - if you truly believe that only the leftist media are biased I am happy to leave it at that.
     
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    Just a bit of history: Back in 1968 when Caroline's uncle (Robert) died our Governor was Nelson Rockefeller (R). So would "Rocky" appoint a Democrat or a fellow Republican. He had an interesting compromise. He nominated (liberal)Republican Charles Goddell to fill out the Senate term. In the November 1970 election, Conservative Party candidate James Buckley won a three-way race against Goddell and then-U.S. Rep. Richard Ottinger.

    The other day in Caroline was in CNY as well as some upstate cities to gather support. While in Syracuse she met with our Democratic mayor. However, she refused to answer any questions from the media.

    The OP in part said
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    abortion. It is about the level of media
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    Actually those issues are important - at least to us New Yorkers - we would like to know where a potential Senator stands on the issues. Other than the fact she is pro-Abortion and an advocate for education, she has been mum on all other issues
    That is part of the scrunity of the (liberal) press

    The real questions is can Caroline pass the Upstate most New York challenge?
     
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    I did not say that. But I provided evidence in other threads that the left wing media ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc worked to help get Obama elected. Which is more than just simple bias. I also provided evidence that the majority of Americans believe they worked to get Obama elected.
     
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    There usually is not a need unless the candidate is an unknown like Gov Palin. Seriously, if she could not handle scrutiny, just like Kennedy, she should never have run. It goes with the territory, but, IMO, is MUCH more important when considering a person who could end up being the most powerful leader in the world than it is for a junior senator.

    Eventually Kennedy will have to run on her own, by then the people will know all they need to know to decide.
     
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    Caroline may indeed make a very good senator, but we don't know at this point. I do not believe that senate seats are family heirlooms to be inherited. Her uncle, Robert F. Kennedy, used to hold this seat, but that should not matter.

    Still, like it or not, there are political dynasties in this society that worships star power. I have long maintained that if the former mediocre governor ot Texas was named George W. Smith, he never would have become president. Yet, Ameicans seem to love 'em some Bush, Clinton, and Kennedy.
     
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    I still say most of the people who hated Palin hated her because they felt uncomfortable looking at her youngest son.

    All that being said, Kennedy is part of a dynasty that America has inexplicably loved for generations. Palin was presented to the world on top of the garbage heap that was McCain's campaign.
     
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    It wasn't about an unknown. It was about making sure Obama won. Period.
     
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    Another totally off topic post. Not every single political thread is about the president elect.
     
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    You said the lawyers were necessary because she was an unknown. I said the lawyers were not because she was an unknown but simply to make sure Obama won. I simply repsonded to your statement. if it was off topic it began with you.
     
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    My post had nothing to do with the president elect.

    If we could leave him out of one thread maybe we can stick to the topic.

    Which link in the OP do you lead toward? (For anyone)
     
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    Obama's candidacy. In addition they tried to dig up anything negative about him they could dream up without any requirement for proof.
     
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    So the GOP sent 50 lawyers to Chicago? Was there any report of this?

    You must be confused with Palin when they accused her of pretending to be the mother of her daughters child. There was certainly no proof there.
     
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    I am. New Yorkers have demonstrated before that star power trumps experience, so I don't really think it matters what the level of scrutiny is.

    But the media circus will be nationwide.
     
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    The major leftist media did this??

    I honestly did not know that. I would be interested in a story from one of your lists of media who made this accusation.

    I though that charge came only from the loony fringe.
     
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    First, there is a huge diference between investigating to find out a candidate's political record and where they stand on political issues and investigating their entire personal life (as was done to Gov. Palin). So you are talking apples and oranges.

    Second, why should the people of NY State and all of us (because a Senator's vote on the floor of the Senate effects us all) have to put up with an unknown from now until the next election cycle?

    However, none of that matters because the Gov. of NY will appoint whoever he's gonna appoint, just as will happen in Delaware and any other state where a current Senator/Represenative gets drafted into the new Administration. Therefore, the only real concern is whether or not the personal selected to fill a seat meets the minimum Constitutional requirements to hold the office. There is ultimately nothing any of us can do about their stance on the issues because the choice is not in our hands (meaning we don't get to vote on these kind of appointments).
     
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    And the exact same thing is true every time, even when a staunch conservative Republican governor makes an appointment. They do what they want, so the whole premise of the Fox Forum is flawed. A gubernatorial appointment is nothing like a vice-presidential candidate.
     
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    You know me and my stand on staying on topic. However, in this case it is difficult not to address issues from the recent election especially since you included the treatment of Gov. Palin in the OP. That opened the door for discussion of how the media handled the Presidential election. I know you said you did not want to focus on the surrounding issues. How about narrowing the question of the OP to address whether or not Kennedy will receive sufficient media scrutiny or not (and leave Gov. Palin out of the picture)?

    Since she is a Kennedy and a Democrat I'd say the liberal media outlets will be fairly easy on her.
     
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    Because Gov Palin was the topic of one of the articles. Just because we are discussing Gov Palin does not mean that a discussion of Obama is needed in the thread.

    If we are going to try to stay on topic, lets do it across the board.
     
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