If Congress Had Any!

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  1. OldRegular

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    If Congress had any backbone they would overwhelmingly pass legislation that requires the terrorists be tried in Military Courts. They have the power under Article I, Section 8 and Article III of the Constitution.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, would you include Timothy McVeigh as qualifying as a terrorist? I would, imo, but that's just me.

    Sorry for the slight off-topic there.
     
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    Interesting question - the main difference is he was an American Citizen.
    But....
     
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    True, but he was a terrorist (committing an act of violence in conjunction with an organized cell of persons, in this case, with Terry Nichols, Michael Fortier, and Lori Fortier). So should he be tried under proposed terrorist legislation, or under the laws that a resident of the US would be subject to?
     
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    Please define "terrorist." Would your law include intent in the definition? Would 1st amendment protected political criticism be included?

    When I was a kid we made pipe bombs in chemistry class. Would this automatically be an act of terrorism? We only intended to blow up trees or whatever.
     
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    Who needs courts? If there is evidence against them that makes them enemy combatants. The money already wasted to put them up was way more then they deserved, but now even more is being wasted on a trial? And treating them with the same rights and privileges as US citzens?

    Of course, since every illegal is given everything already it only makes sense... in a left-wing, bleeding heart, "let's let the whole world slap us around", going to Hades in a handbasket kind of way.
     
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    McVeigh was a citizen. KSM was not. How is this difficult?

    ANd why are these animals still alive?
     
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    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law defines a terrorist as one assicated with a gang or similarly organized group of persons, who, in association with said gang or group, commits one or more unlawful acts of violence, or threat of violence, especially against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion.
    No.
    Probably not, but it make we wish I were in your chemistry class.
     
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    Your'e kidding, aren't you? Even a military crime gets a military trial.
    Money shoudl not be a factor in whether someone should be tried in a military or civilian court.

    I see where your'e going, but the law isn't just for citizens. There are legal residents and nonresidens who are not citizens. The fifth amendment, for example, decrees that no "person" shall be convicted without presentment or indictment in times of peace. The question is whether the aforementioned are subject to it as being in time of peace, not whether the constitution should apply to them (Sen. McCarthy attempted unsuccessfully to justify going after US Citizens who were members of the communist party, based on the notion that we were at war with communism). Any person who commits a crime on US soil is subject to the Constitution, not just citizens.
     
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    I believe he was tried as a terrorist. At least he was executed!
     
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    I believe you are a little late. He was tried and sentenced prior to any terrorist laws. He is now daid as a doornail!
     
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    It could be now! I think!
     
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    :applause::thumbsup::laugh::tongue3:
     
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    My comment was a bit short. I was implying that the US courts have enough to do. A military tribunal would be more than sufficient for this garbage of humanity. Heck, get together three marines and let them look over the evidence and be done with it.

    The only money that should have been spent on these "things" should have been the ammo needed by the firing squad. I was raised country and see justice as something that should be meted out and not dragged out.

    The Geneva Convention should apply, but not the Constitution. The attacks were acts of war, not knocking over a liquor store. This whole circus should have been wrapped up within a few weeks with no need for the three-ring affair in Cuba, much less the dog and pony show going on in NYC.

    I am not saying to just murder these individuals, but I AM saying that 99.9% of all the fuss and bull pucky that has gone on was completely uncalled for. Had this been the other way around the US citizens would have been beheaded and dragged through the streets without hesitation or question (oh, wait... our soldiers already are). Even just having a military tribunal would have been loads more than the barbarian homelands of these people would have given us.

    Considering Obama's bowing and scraping and sniveling to other nations and leaders, none of this should be a surprise to us. The big 0 is the complete embodiment of a politician... absolutely no backbone, the ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth (and his hat and his backside all at once), the ability to lie without batting an eye, and a propensity to kiss the backside of anyone and everyone while apologizing for making them wait while he does it. I expect him to offer up part of Virgina to the Palestinians any day now, as well as have of DC for their capital city...
     
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    Trotter

    I haven't seen him cry out of one eye yet!:laugh::smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Poor doornail! Yeah, I know, I was just tossing out a hypothetical.
     
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    Okay, that makes more sense. Still, I don't think "which court is less busy" should be a deciding factor in whether or not a person who committed a federal crime should or should not be tried in a federal court.
    Like I said before, cost should not be a deciding factor in whether or not a person who committed a federal crime should or should not be tried in a federal court.
    You might have a point there. However, there were several noncitizen terrorists tried and convicted in federal court during the GW Bush administration. This wasn't made an issue then, but now it's being made an issue, and am at a loss as to why there is a difference.
     
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    I raised a fit over it the one time I remember it happening.

    It was not as public as this time...many people don't know.

    The differences this time:
    • Folks like KSM are way up the food chain. We're not talking small-time operatives.
    • GWB had people in his administration that, like them or not, made the safety of our country of the utmost importance. Obama's flunkies I think are sincerely more concerned about votes, money, power, and image than our safety. I sincerely believe Rahm Emmanuel and Eric Holder would let terrorists go, if somehow it would help them politically. They are evil men, and their concern is self and power...so unless we're willing to shine the light on these two-legged cockroaches, they'll continue to operate in the dark, and endanger this great country.
    • I'd like to see more details on Bush's screw-up. I don't remember his motivation. But I'm much more scared of Obama's motivation for doing this than Bush's. Bush could be stupid, but I didn't doubt he cared for the US. I don't think Obama cares for our country at all...only himself, his buddies, and his agenda.
    Having said that...the reason we have Obama in office is because of the miserable job Bush did. I'll agree with you that he handled quite a bit of stuff very badly.
     
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    Here in Connecticut we recently had one of the star football players for UConn stabbed and murdered outside a party on campus. One fellow sent e-mails to people urging them not to cooperate with police in the investigation (there were many witnesses to this stabbing). He also posted messages on a personal blog and Facebook. This fellow has been charged with terrorism, because he made remarks intending to intimidate anyone who might be willing to testify.

    http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn...d/hc-ap-ct-uconnstabbingnov15,0,6284772.story
     
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    I am not knowledgeable about this. However, if they were arrested in this country they would likely face a civil court. I do believe that the Nazi spies captured in this country in WWII were tried by Military Tribunal per FDR.
     

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