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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Jun 26, 2003.
Now, since we are born sinners with a sin nature, that might actually be true. I know I didn't "choose" to be a heterosexual, I just am one.
Before I am skewered by you, SheEagle9/11, please notice I said "might" not "is".
Wasn't it Joseph Lenin the Boschevik of Russia who said... Give me your children and I will rule the world?... Just chip a little at each generation until what was once taboo becomes common place!... Let us not forget Adolph Hitler who molded even the children to his own evil perverted dream... The Master Race!... Then he took all those who were not of his pure race and eliminated them as have all who tried to create the perfect world!... Don't forget the scripture that says... The sins of the fathers are visited upon the children to the third and fourth generations!... How long will it take to turn the world right side up again?... Only God knows!... Brother Glen
Good Morning Americans, This is Paul Harvey, and you are about to hear...The Rest of the Story.
Luci was an upstanding citizen. In fact, he was one of the main messengers for his boss. But Luci had ambition. Luci had dreams. Luci wanted to have the boss' job.
His ambitions being more than he could bear, Luci decided to recruit other employees to support his bid to take over the company. Surprisingly, many of them did so. Even though the boss was known to have strong support from the other employees, and also known to have unlimited power as CEO of the organization.
Ultimately, Luci's bid to take over the CEO position failed, and the boss sent him down to the lab to run amok there for a while, until such time as the boss would put him on permanent assignment to the furnace room.
Yes, Luci and his supporters messed up really bad that day. For you see, Luci, or as we know him, Lucifer, will be spending an awfully long time in that furnace room with his buddies. A hell of a long time.
And now you know....The Rest of the Story. Good day!
(Edit: Just to be clear, Paul Harvey did not write the above. It is me and my sense of parody!)
I know we disagree mightily but excellent parody/analogy/parallel!
BTW, disagreeing on issues doesn't mean I don't think you are an upstanding guy!
Sad that the devil has already done all of these things and we are responsible.
My thoughts on the original piece:
So the Bush is the devil?
I don't understand this one at all! No one thinks we came from man's effort. Evolved, yes. Man's effort, no. There are many Christians who believe in theistic evolution. Genesis could be a parable. Why limit how God can work?
Some people are like this, no doubt. Ken Lay, Bernie Ebbers, Joe Nacchio, and others of their CEO ilk. they have done more damage to the US economy than Al Qaeda. It is not only corporate types who have done this. But still, I think most people care about others.
Lottery revenue is a small part of state budgets.
We have had some real characters as leaders, no doubt.
Gets down to the question of where life begins? Conception? Birth? Somewhere in between? When is a fetus a baby?
We help our pets exit peacefully when there is no hope. Why can't we do the same for ourselves?
Don't see that at all. Where is that one coming from?
Frivilous argument. God CAN be mentioned. No lawsuits. It is state sponsored religion that is illegal. Not the mention of God. Not comparative religion classes. Both of those are perfectly legal.
Shame on the tobacco & alcohol companies for targeting kids.
Every TV has an off switch and a channel selector. Use them. We are not mindless automatons, blindly soaking in everything available. We have choice. We have free will.
That has not happened. Relationships are difficult to maintain. It takes hard work by both the husband and the wife.
Too many divorces happen, no doubt. However, no one should be forced to stay in a marriage where they are abused, or even where there is no love.
Mainstream media has its moments, but for the most part it reflects culture, it does not create it.
Who marvels at homosexuals. That's ridiculous. As for being born homosexual, there is evidence to support that. I do not believe anyone would choose a sexual orientation that would cause them to be persecuted. I did not choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. It was not a choice. I imagine it is the same for gays & lesbians. No choice involved.
I don't see this at all, either. People don't let authority figures set their values.
If the church would come into the 21st century without being pulled kicking & screaming, it would help it remain relevant in the lives of people.
Do Christians really think prayer is not important?
Maybe, but that is not what is described above!
I didn't realize Paul Harvey was still alive. I know he still does his radio program every day, but I didn't realize he was alive while doing it.
Oh yeah, he is. He just signed a new multi-year contract with ABC Radio.
Colorado, you just don't get it.
But Conservatives do.
2 Cor. 4:
4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23: And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
2 Timothy 3:
: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6: For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7: Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8: Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9: But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
The apostasy of the last days is so readily apparent except to those who partake of it's charms, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. From so many pulpits the apostates preach a new and "improved" "god light", with the attributes of love retained and the scriptures of justice and righteous judgement rejected. These purveyors of apostasy embrace the beattitudes while categoricly attacking and discarding the majority of the Pauline epistles.
Tis truly sad to see the apostasy of liberalism corrupting such a large portion of His Body.
The All New Warm and Fuzzy Feel-Good Church of the Non-Judgmental
It might be quite “affirming” to offer a church for kleptomaniacs, instead of being light, they would be light fingered Louies. Might prove interesting when it comes time to “take-up” the collection.
It might be quite “affirming” to offer a church for alcoholics to drink and feel good about themselves, and then they could be the drunkard dunkards. It would offer the Pentecostals a run for their money in being “slain-in-the-spirit”.
It would be quite “affirming” to have the NAMBLA segment of the homosexual community be placed in positions of youth ministry. Whoops I think the RCC kind of has a handle on that one.
It would be quite “affirming” to place all of the liars in charge of the Bible study, that way the scriptures could be taught to scratch the itching ears. Whoops most of the liberals already have quite a handle on that one, with the removal and denial of so much of the truth of the Word.
It would be so “affirming” to offer a sports church, and instead of the old dry uncomfortable sermon, there could be a big screen TV in place of the pulpit, with ESPN, as the focus of worship. Cheerleaders could make a beer run.
It would be quite “affirming” for those who are ever learning and never able to decide, to offer a banquet of theology, with a table of crystals in the hall, yoga in the Sunday school room, whoops don’t forget to rub the Buddha Belly before entering the sanctuary, where today’s worship music will be provided by our new gothic rock youth band, with the latest teachings of Wicca will be presented for your enjoyment.
It is truly enlightening and absolutely “affirming” to bring the church out of the dark ages and all that out-dated Blood emphasis. It is absolutely ghastly for the self-esteem, to mention the mythos of sin-dogma, and how we have to discard the concept of repentance, for it makes humanity so uncomfortable to be told to go against their natural inclinations. The church must become modern for all enlightened accepted Bible scholars know that the mythical Jesus was the personification of the superior pathway to the Ultimate Unity for everyman.
A servant of Christ,
If I were the devil, I'd prompt Christians to declare war on homosexuals to ensure that Christian would be known for little more than religious vilification of sinners that would make the Christians even less effective at sharing the gospel to people who need it most.
Colorado: If you don't think the world is the way Paul Harvey described it...you just might have your head in the sand. Your answers sounded very liberal and not at all reality based.
If I were the Devil I would lead those given to apostasy to legitimize homosexuality, and to raise up practitioners in the pulpits, anything to undermine God's Word, and legitimize the illegitimate.
It is such hatred to declare murder, adultry, lying, stealing, fornication, gluttony, homosexuality, child abuse, spouse abuse, as sin, and to call upon those who give in to their devient proclivities, to repent and follow Christ.
A servant of Christ,
Great article, Drew!
If I were the Devil, I would "Love" people right into hell. They would have all eternity to think about my "love" and acceptance.
If I were the Devil, I would "Hate" people right into hell. They would have all eternity to think about my "hate" and self-righteous condemnation.
[ June 28, 2003, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Baptist Believer ]
Brethren, nothing has changed, not the Devil or his tactic from the beginning...
"...Yea, hath God said?..."
BB, you missed the point I was trying to make. But I'm not surprised.
Jesus never said whatever we do is fine. He said, "Go and sin no more."
We are to hate the sin but love the sinner. Love, however, does not mean to ignore the truth of God's Word.
I would add these things to Paul Harvey's list:
1) I would fragment Christ's Church by having every sect refuse to fellowship with other sects due to minor differences of doctrine.
2) I would cut God's army in half by having professing christians refuse to allow women to play significant roles in the church.
3) I would have the church become more and more legalistic and politicized rather than focussing on their primary function of evangelizing the world.