If Obama wins............

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  1. saturneptune

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    Clearly, the only reason a radical liberal has a shot at winning the election for President is because the anger of the American people against GWB has turned to outrage.

    Justified or not (subject of many other threads), the people are seeing red and not thinking about who they are supporting.

    Considering what might happen in the next four years, will the people be as angry at Obama at the end of his first term as they are Bush today?
     
  2. JustChristian

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    There aren't any radical liberals running this year. Generally, when there a disastrous, failed Presidency the other party wins in a landslide the next election.
     
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    No, the first half of Obama's Presidency (3 1/2- 4 yrs) will go good.. he will sucker in many people... even the very elect if possible...

    Then he will be elected again in 2012 and begin his reign in 2013... It is then the American people will see his evilness for what it really is.

    By 2016 Americans will come crawling back to us conservatives for help.
    Of course by that time, Christ may have taken us home, and the only ones left will be the deceived.
     
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    The elect alredy are suckered.
     
  5. saturneptune

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    Is that how you explain 1972 and 1984, or could it be pathetic Democratic candidates? But then, that is the default standard.
     
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    Possibly. Often a president has a defining dilemma that was not expected, at least in specific terms, before election-- such as, 9-11-01 and Iraq... the assault on the Mr. Carmel compound and "I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman" ... Kuwait. That's for the last 3, with the last 2 happening very early in the term. The more ongoing [i.e., Iraq] the more it feeds the continuing outrage; Vietnam being in a class by itself in that way, that kept Humphrey from being elected as a continuation president. The Iraq situation is probably the most like that since, though-- worse luck for McCain. But Ford, come to think of it, also lost for the reason of being a continuation president that couldn't stifle all the outrage, especially when the new opponent has a novelty about him-- like Carter the first from the Deep South emerging on his own to be prez (Johnson was obviously aided by the Kennedy connection); and Obama, the novelty being obvious, and many in his crowds don't hide it at all.

    So, unless those answering polls have been lying mostly in one direction, or unless Obama pulls a huuge gaff this weekend, he is going to be elected. But what will be the unexpected defining dilemma of his time? A successful bombing of the White House by muslim militants who say he was born muslim and is now the most powerful traitor in the world? and we have more military action against rogue nations that support terrorists? What female staff he is caught sleeping with? Who knows? ...

    But the presidency of the U.S. is such an impossible job that no one can go about it without displeasing a lot of people. So there will be outrage about something, or many things; and of course there will be disappointment from many current supporters-- there are always those who think we elect a ruler who will do everything he says, when in fact we elect a chief executive without the power to do everything he says or intends.
     
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    I'm just glad there is still an America after 8 terrible years under George Bush. But we are in terrible shape. Hopefully Obama and the Democrats can restore our rights and our economy. Hopefully they can remove Bush's primary goal of American world supremacy. Sound familiar? That was the real Fuhrer's goal too. Do you really think this kind of garbage has any place in an American campaign?

    When a narcissist is running for the highest office in the world, the stakes cannot be higher. Did it matter what were Hitler’s views on abortion, economy, environment, education, old age pension, gay rights, social security, jobs or housing? With Hitler, the only thing that really mattered was his mental sanity.

    That's what has been posted here. Talk about radical. You guys should re-examine your motives and your faith.
     
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    Did Obama drop out? Or did you decide to change the historic meaning of radical liberal? If Obama isn't a radical liberal, then who is?
     
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    Working people around the world have always sought a future without war, exploitation, inequality, and poverty. They strive to build a brighter future, one based on democracy, peace, justice, equality, cooperation, and meeting human needs. That future is socialism, a system in which working people control their own lives and destinies, and together build a better world. The Communist Party USA is dedicated to the struggle for socialism in this country. This document is our Party’s program, a statement of our principals and goals and a guide to action along the road to Socialism USA.

    Socialism will usher in a new era in this county. The great wealth of the U.S. will for the first time be for the benefit of all the people. Foreign policy will be based on mutual respect, peace, and solidarity. The people’s democratic rights will be guaranteed and expanded. Racial, gender, and social equality will be the basis of domestic policies and practices. Socialism is not a dream, but a necessity to working people’s lives. Only socialism has the solutions to the problems of capitalism in this country.

    We, the working people of the United States, face tremendous problems today: exploitation, oppression, racism, sexism, a deteriorating environment and infrastructure, huge budget deficits, and a government dominated by the most vicious elements of big capital and its political operatives. This government, despite its rhetoric about making Americans safe, has wasted hundreds of billions on the invasion and occupation of Iraq while it cut money for maintaining the levees—leading directly to the disaster that Hurricane Katrina wreaked on the people of New Orleans and much of the Gulf Coast. Their callous disregard for African Americans, for poor people, for the elderly, and for all those unable to evacuate on their own exemplifies their inhumane disregard for the lives of all working people.

    We as a country face serious choices: militarism and imperialism or peace, increased wealth for the few or justice and equality for the many, increased power in the hands of the super-rich or expansion of democracy for the vast majority, ultra-right domination of all branches of government which deals with problems by increasing exploitation and oppression or progressive electoral coalitions that seek real solutions in the interests of all working people.

    The working class and all who work for a living—the vast majority of the people—face a relentless, vicious, and amoral enemy: the capitalist class. Our country is oppressed by one of the most controlling, despicable, entrenched capitalist ruling classes ever, concentrating enormous political, economic, and military power in the hands of a few transnational corporations. These corporations seek to steal, embezzle, extort, and scheme all wealth from the tens of millions of working people, from small businesses and family farmers, from men, women, and children, from seniors and youth, and from the employed, underemployed, and unemployed. They exploit people as workers on the job and the same people as consumers at the checkout counter. Their foremost weapon to maintain their dominance is racism, used to divide working people and achieve extra profits. They work hard to extend ultra-right control over the government and government policy.

    The ultra-right is led by the most reactionary, militaristic, racist, anti-democratic sectors of the transnationals. They gain support for their ultra-right agenda from other political trends and social groups, most of which are misled as to their real interests, sometimes blinded by the propaganda of fear and scapegoating.


    http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/758/


    Wow! Your rant sounds quite similar!
     
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    Boy, you get classier by the minute. Thanks for questioning my faith. You read the rules here much?

    Thanks for explaining 1980 to us. Let's see what kind of "landslide" will happen. I doubt we'll see that repeat.
     
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    I see eschatology is not your strong point, but then I wonder if anyone is correct concerning the end times.

    I lean towards the pre-mill position, but doubt that it will play out exactly like it is presented by today's preachers.
     
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    Pan-mill here...it will all pan out in the end.
     
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    Do you have to resort to calling the other candidate the Fuhrer? I suppose you're just getting pathetically desperate. You could at least lose with class.
     
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    So your objective like that of the Neo-Cons is to destroy America so you can take over. Sad. I hope the true patriots arise of of the rubble that was the failed Bush Presidency. We will. You can bet on it.
     
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    American World Supremacy....

    Since this is thrown around a lot, could I ask what we gained from Iraq? Permanent territorial holdings? Valuable Resources?

    Hmm..

    EDIT : Responde to BB - The true patriots then should work for moving the Republican party more toward conservatism, not for supporting a party that is self consciously pushing for a secular, humanistic society. We are forgetting, who is the party that tries to remove all signs of religion from the culture? What type of judges authorized sb777(California educational non-discrimnatory laws)? Liberals. Was it conservatives or liberals who were against school choice and home schooling in CA? Oh yeah, liberals again.

    What type of judges were the judges who ruled that Public colleges can deny entrance to students who had been educated at Christian schools that did not teach evolution(schools with high academic standards too)? Oh yeah, liberals.
     
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    Politics should be religion agnostic. There's no place for claiming the other side believes its candidate if th messiah or the anti-christ. People, including those in government, can be Christian. Neither the government nor the country is christian. To claim that they are is to water down Christianity and substitute membership in a political party or patriotism for a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. The close identification of evangelical Christians with the Republican has significantly hurt the Church in America. It hasn't hurt the Republicans yet but I think Americans are getting tired of people identifying all Christians with a political party especially Christians with a different political identification.
     
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    BB, but people are making politics that are religiously neutral. Libertarians are. Democrats are ANTi-REligion. The state educational system is anti-religion. The students coming out of schools have a scientific world view. That world view does not ALLOW for religion, or any other metaphysical system. The students are also coming out with a view of femminism, and homosexual toleration. Is that religious neutrality?

    At least the education policy, it was pioneered to be explicitly humanistic by the likes of Dewey. Some study that I saw once has shown that almost all of the great educators in our country, or those ones in great places of power, can be traced back to Dewey, either directly or indirectly. This is wrong. This is someone who WANTED to destroy Christian faith. And it is working, as it has worked in Euruope.

    And as Christians, since we have a well defined world view, there should be political agreement on domestic issues(I can see how we would differ on economic issues, as well as on foreign policy).

    You are very right about not making a Christian party, but we can have a unified domestic policy agreement. IE, we can say, as Christians, we need to fight against laws and policies that will prohibit pastors from being able to preach the Bible(and the parts that are anti-homosexual). We can also agree as Christians, that laws like sb777 in California that will allow for boys to use girls bathrooms and locker rooms, are wrong. We can agree that the government cannot force children to attend it's own state schools(or make sure that private schools are teaching pluralism, femminism, and inclusivism, as they are doing in Germany).

    So I sympathize with the Democratic message, and like anything else, when we have only one intellectual center of gravity in our life(pro-Democrat), than we will drift toward that. This is why Christianity is dead in the countries that have liberal domestic policies in consumation -- The people are only getting one intellectual center of gravity , secularism. (I say this not off of hearsay, but the most alarming book that has pushed me faster than ever toward conservatism and away from European liberal domestic policy is God's Continent by Philip Jenkins.. Guys, PLEASE PLEASE read this book.)
     
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    So, one's Christian worldview should not inform and influence one's politics?

    Doesn't that mean one's Christian worldview is not a worldview, since by definition a worldview influences how one sees everything?

    Of course, since I'm not voting for Obama, in your eyes I'm a Republican, thus the enemy. Whatever. I'm not going to waste my breath reminding you again that me and thousands like me do not bow to the Republican party.

    But unlike you, I choose to have my faith play a role in everything I do...because it's that important.
     
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    Very good point rbell!
     
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    Tim, the I agree with the above except the timing. I don't believe he (Obama) can keep his evil intents hidden for four years.
     

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