if the pope dies

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  1. massdak

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    the catholic church will soon have a new pope with his turn to make new changes. it is interesting but could you imagine if a pope became born again and then turned the church upside down with his conversion and his denoucing all that the church has stood for from the beginning, what a shock it would be, also his life then would be in danger. but knowing this pope now he will soon be gone, and it is sad that he will die in his sins.
     
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    And How do you know this?

    Do you have a special God given gift to know if a person is going to Heaven or not?

    Matthew 7:1-2 (NIV)

    1. Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

    2. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    a much more interesting question is:" Would you notice it, if a pope did try to reform the church in a direction that is more to your liking?"
    Answer: NO.
     
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    are you asking me how i know the pope will die and not go to heaven? well based on the popes stance on salvation it is clear to most if not all born again Christians that he needs to repent from dead works and to believe on the Lord Jesus without added works or merit from the church. if you believe the popes position is different then the catholic church he represents then think again. a person should be able to know who to witness to and not to a Christian should make judgments based on what people believe, it comes in handy when giving the gospel.
     
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    the opening question is "IF the pope dies.." Does this suggest he might be in the fundamentalist's rapture beforehand?

    In my Father's house are many mansions.....all partioned off so that one will think he is the only one there. The rest of us will enjoy the other mansions and great fellowship with fellow believers.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    I am not a Catholic, but I have in my hands a Catholic Bible and I will quote from the Catholic Bible:

    Romans 10:9 For if thou confess with thy mouth that Jesus is the Lord, and believe in thy heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
     
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    So what if the Catholic Bible says that? You can also be saved from the New World translation. Does the pope believe salvation is by faith alone or does he believe one must go through all the sacrements to be saved? Just because Romans 10:9 is in his Bible does not mean that is all he believes.

    Phil
     
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    Do the rituals keep the Pope from being saved?
     
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    Absolutely they do if he believes (and he does) they are part of the requirements to enter eternal life.

    If I ever met the Pope I would not be shaking his hand calling him my brother. If it were permissible I would do all I could to witness to him about the Jesus of the Bible, the one that saves completely and has sat down at the right hand of God the Father. This Jesus can set him free from the jesus he now serves in his mass.

    If you believe that I am judging him then you are right. I guess the Pope can judge me right back with the same measure.
     
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    Basic Catholic doctrine is that taking part in the sacrements (rituals) is part of salvation.

    Phil
     
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    How is it that fundamentalists can promote the easy believism..believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved......just sign this statement and you are saved.......but when it comes to others, it just ain't so? I am not making excuses for the pope's extra-biblical concepts, but you can't have it both ways either.

    Cheers,

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    This topic DEMANDS the input of some of our Catholic BB'ers, so I am moving it to the Other Religion Forum. It is not right for just Baptists to speculate on this matter that will mostly impact Catholicism worldwide.
     

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