If You're Saved And You Know It

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  1. Craigbythesea

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    Some years ago, Charles King gave us the song, “If You're Saved And You Know It.” This song included the following two lines:

    My question to you is this, “If you’re saved and you know it, will your life surely show it?”
     
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    Yes.

    But the real question is...can you clap your hands, stomp your feet, and stand and shout "hallejulah" all at one time? :D
     
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    1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    The Corinthian fornicator certainly wasn't showing it. Notice also that the apostle Paul was careful not to judge the man's heart but only what he did IN THE FLESH.
     
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    Agreed R.J. Good verse! [​IMG]

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    Ephesians 5
    1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
    2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
    3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
    4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
    5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
    6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
    7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
    8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

    Why would Paul have to tell Christians not to sin, if it was impossible for Christians to sin? He is warning these people of losing their inheritance in the kingdom (verse 5).
     
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    James, are you a Christian? Do you sin?

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    What is the implied answer to this? You DID such, but no longer.

    Reminds me of another song

    "The things I used to do, don't do them anymore,
    The things I used to do, don't do them anymore,
    The things I used to do, don't do them anymore,
    There's been a great change since I've been born again!"
     
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    If I answer wrong am I still a Christian? [​IMG] Yes I sin, but I sure try not to sin. I have in the past been guilty of horrible sins since I was saved.

    We are commanded to follw Christ, obey the bible, overcome sin. But that does not mean we will do so automatically, or would He really have to tell us? What happens when a missionary gives a tract to a poor farmer in a strange country, and that poor farmer reads the tract and believes that he is a sinner and needs a saviour, and that Jesus Christ is that saviour, then the missionary falls of a cliff, and forgets to tell the poor farmer that if he is really saved, he will stop sinning?
     
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    What is the implied answer to this statement?

    If you are disobedient, I'll spank you.

    Reminds me of another song.

     
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    If I answer wrong am I still a Christian? [​IMG] Yes I sin, but I sure try not to sin. I have in the past been guilty of horrible sins since I was saved.

    We are commanded to follw Christ, obey the bible, overcome sin. But that does not mean we will do so automatically, or would He really have to tell us? What happens when a missionary gives a tract to a poor farmer in a strange country, and that poor farmer reads the tract and believes that he is a sinner and needs a saviour, and that Jesus Christ is that saviour, then the missionary falls of a cliff, and forgets to tell the poor farmer that if he is really saved, he will stop sinning?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, what I was trying to discern is whether you are saying Christians can live in sinless perfection. I know that when I was in high school at a Christian school we had two teachers who believed they could. (By the way, one was fired for sin in his life in my Sr. year.) :( As far as the hypothetical question you asked, I try not to deal in hypotheticals, as there are too many variables. But, I believe the farmer will know just from the leading of the Holy Spirit and conscience that he cannot/will not lead a sinlessly perfect life after salvation.

    Thanks,

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    Only Christ lived a perfect sinless life. However He did command us to be perfect.

    Matthew 5:48
    Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    This must refer to a relative perfection, not absolute. We are told that Job was perfect.

    Job 1:1
    There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

    That Job could be called perfect, even before having received the power of the shed blood should put us to shame. We have been given not only forgiveness for our sins, but we have been given power to overcome sin. However many Christians do not overcome, because of unbelief, and because they are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, just as the bible predicted in the last days.

    Christ would not command us to be something we could not be would he? If we have faith that He will give us the grace to overcome, and walk in that faith, then we can overcome by His grace [​IMG]
     
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    It also implies that none of us are righteous enough to enter the Kingdom. It also implies that Jesus paid the price for our sins that made us unrighteousness, thus allowing us to enter the Kingdom.
     
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    It depends if you're saved and you know it, and you've made the Lord the Lord of your life, and let him do the steering, or if you are simply saved, but still try to control your own life.

    We will still sin at times regardless, but if the Lord is indeed Lord of your life, then your life will surely show it. [​IMG]
     
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    It also implies that none of us are righteous enough to enter the Kingdom. It also implies that Jesus paid the price for our sins that made us unrighteousness, thus allowing us to enter the Kingdom. </font>[/QUOTE]If anyone enters the kingdom, it is by Christ working through them, not their own righteousness.

    7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
    8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    These brethren were sinning, because they were defrauding their brethren. Paul was warning them of missing the kingdom for their sin. The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom, thats plain as the nose on your face. Whether those 'brethren' were saved or not is apparently not a concern of Paul's.
     
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    Uhhh, that's pretty much what I was getting at.
     
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    Ah, I assumed you were implying that anyone who is saved will be righteous, thereby inheritting the kingdom. Forgive me if I was mistaken.
     
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    Nope, not at all. A saved person is still unrighteous, but saved nonetheless. Sure, we can endeavor to live righteously, as well we should, but we will always sin.

    Clearly, you and I agree on the topic.
     
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    Then he needs to get saved some more! :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm sure glad I dont go to Works Salvation Baptist with Craig [​IMG]
     
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