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If You're Saved And You Know It

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Craigbythesea, Sep 25, 2004.

  1. Lacy Evans

    Lacy Evans New Member

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    Now that was just plain funny. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Either of you are welcome to go to church with me.

    Love Lacy
     
  2. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    At my church we are saved and we know it, and our lives surely show it. We have been (present perfect tense) saved by grace through faith. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    1 Cor. 6:9. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
    10. nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
    11. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    Amen and Amen!!!
     
  3. James_Newman

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    John 6:40
    And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    That sounds like a promise to me.

    Numbers 23:19
    God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    If God promised to raise someone up on the last day for believing, He will do it. The kingdom is not the last day. Otherwise, those people coming out of death and hell got raised up on a laster day.
     
  4. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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  5. AVL1984

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    Okay...I see. So now we're typing in tongues!

    AVL1984
     
  6. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    No, I posted the logical response to the post above by James Newman.
     
  7. AVL1984

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    LOL....Hmmmmm....I'm staying out of this one! ;)

    AVL1984
     
  8. Dr. Bob

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    Most astute post I've seen from Craig in a long time! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  9. James_Newman

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    Matthew 13
    10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
    11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
    12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
    13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
    14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
    15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    2Corinthians 5
    9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
    10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
    11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

    Luke 21
    29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
    30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
    31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
    32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
    33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
    34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
    35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
    36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    Matthew 24
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    I pray that God will have mercy and open some eyes in these last days, but most of Christianity is sleeping. He says He will come back as a thief in the night, and we say in our hearts our Lord delayeth His coming! Wake UP!
     
  10. Craigbythesea

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  11. Craigbythesea

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    Did you really understand my encrypted message?
     
  12. AVL1984

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    How could he??? We need an interpreter. You're turning typo-charismatic on us. Aren't you supposed to do this by two's or three's and let one interpret??? ;)

    AVL1984
     
  13. Craigbythesea

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    Dr. Bob,

    Go for it! [​IMG] :D [​IMG] :cool:

    [​IMG]
     
  14. DeaconLew

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    I agree with James. Our eternal life salvation is a gift from God (Eph 2:8,9; Romans 6:23, John 3:16). However, there is something called the Kingdom of God that is attained by not fornicating, commiting adultery etc (Galatians 5:19-21, 1Cor 6:9 etc).
    Question:
    1.) If living holy is automatic upon getting saved then what is the gospel? No unbeliever can ever be holy!
    2.) If not commiting sin is automatic upon getting saved, why do we see Peter rebuked by Paul for preaching a works salvation to the Gentiles?
    3.) If believers are automatically right with God, why are many of you still watching the Devil's filth on the T.V. (terrorizing vulture) every evening and reading the Devil's junky "newspaper?" Why haven't you brought your own life under the power of God? Maybe you need to be "saved some more!"

    -DeaconLew
     
  15. AVL1984

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    3.) If believers are automatically right with God, why are many of you still watching the Devil's filth on the T.V. (terrorizing vulture) every evening and reading the Devil's junky "newspaper?" Why haven't you brought your own life under the power of God? Maybe you need to be "saved some more!"

    -DeaconLew


    I don't see where anyone here has said we are "automatically right with God", DeaconLew. I do know that our righteousness is in Christ Jesus and not in ourselves.

    Secondly, what in the world is "Devil's junk newspaper"?

    AVL1984
     
  16. PowerndBlood

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    If a person is born again(in this time frame) they are going to heaven and that is FINAL!

    You cannot have it both ways without making a liar out of God and His Word, it just doesn't work that way.

    Now if you are talking about people that are left behind and have to go through the tribulation, then you can break out the Sermon on the Mount, James, Hebrews and other verses about works and faith.

    but NOT during the promise of a free gift by a Loving God that made a way for me to be clean in His sight by faith in what He has done for me on the cross.
     
  17. Craigbythesea

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    God is neither blind nor delusional. If there is sin in our life, God knows all about it, and the wages of sin is death.
     
  18. PowerndBlood

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    Craig, i'm glad you pointed that out.I would also like to point out to you that it is dangerous to misunderstand the difference between sin in ones spirit/soul, than in ones flesh that is as rotten as the day is long.


    Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Nobody in their flesh can live sinless,

    1john 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    Craig, the only way to keep God's word true and not make a liar out of Him is to realize that a saved persons flesh will fall short and sin until it is changed in the twinkling of an eye, but the born again Spiritual man is part of Christ's body now, sinless and sealed as white as snow.

    To have it any other way is to make a liar out of God and i can't do that.

    It's as simple as seeing which verses have to be dealing with the sin cursed body and which are directed towards the born again Spirit.

    Without that we just have a big bunch of contradicting verses, been there done that.

    Please don't take my post the wrong way but i have already been down this road and at best it ends up making the Bible look dishonest when it is not.

    If you do not know that you are forever a child of God, you may need to have a longer talk with our Father.
     
  19. Craigbythesea

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    Dear Sir,

    I suggest that you study the use of the Greek word sarx (usually translated "flesh" in English) in the New Testament. A good place to start is Rom. 1:3,

    Rom. 1:3. concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
    (NASB, 1995)

    After you do that, I suggest that you study the history of the interpretation of Rom. 7:14-25.

    I don't have the time now, but I may return to this and address some of these issues in more detail later.
     
  20. PowerndBlood

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    Dear Craig, while you study your geek and hebrew texts(there are plenty that say different things), i myself will continue to read and believe what a already have in my hands and by faith believe it is what the Almighty God has provided.

    If your really lucky maybe someone will dig up a new pile of loose notes in the near future from somewhere and you can spend more time trying to figure out what God has said.Hopefully one of these days you and many others like you can finally have a Bible that they can TRUST, good luck in your search.

    ps. if you ever get a copy of "the original" Bible, i mean greek and hebrew texts please send me a copy of it, i hate not having a true Bible to believe. ;)

    I may be foolish to trust God to let me know what He said without being able to read Greek or Hebrew, but sometimes you just got to live by faith.

    Craig, i will agree to disagree because i doubt i can change your mind and i'm 100% sure nothing you can post(greek included) will cause me to be a Bibleless treasure hunter that is still looking for the X that marks the spot on some map.

    1corinthians 1:27 - But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

    [ September 30, 2004, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: PowerndBlood ]
     
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