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If You're Saved And You Know It

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Craigbythesea, Sep 25, 2004.

  1. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    I'm sorry. I was not aware that you suffer from the fatal disease of KJOism. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  2. PowerndBlood

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    No problem Craig, i just trust that God would let me have a copy of His Word if i am to be judged by it.

    I don't believe for one second that He would give everybody the "if i only knew greek or hebrew...i would have obeyed and/or believed you" excuse.

    I do suffer from the "old man is dead" disease, from which there is NO CURE!

    I also will put out an APB on your bible, someone may have seen it. You did have one didn't you? ;)
     
  3. Craigbythesea

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    So, are you saying because he doesn't use the KJV, he isn't using the Bible? If so, could you please prove this??? :confused: :confused:

    AVL1984
     
  5. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    We do not want to go there and turn this into a KJO thread :eek: . Please don't do that!

    Instead, let’s consider what actually takes place when we are saved so that both we and others know that we have been changed. [​IMG]


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  6. PowerndBlood

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    All i'm saying is that for some reason people have a problem with me believing that God has a Bible that is correct.

    If you or anybody else has 10 different bibles and half of them contradict the others thats your right as well.

    Knock yourself out but please don't try to knock my faith in God to keep His Word for me, it will not work.

    Some people have their bibles and i have my bible, fair enough?

    The question is this, who's the boss when the bibles conflict, man and his education?(this is a long drawn out mess between which texts are used)been there as well.

    Craig, i respect your last post and i hope we can continue to post what we believe, there is nothing personal about it for me, just trying to post how i view things and why i believe what i do.

    I was born again believing my bible and i will cherish it forever.
     
  7. James_Newman

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    I think that there is a confusion between being positionaly sanctified through faith and being converted. The saving act is already finished. It was Christ shedding His blood on the cross. No other work can ever be added unto that. What do we recieve by believing on this act for our salvation? We recieve forgiveness in the final absolute judgment. We become children of God, being 'born again.' We could refer to this as our spiritual salvation...

    John 3
    1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
    2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
    3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
    5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    We are born again by believing. We see this in John 6 also

    34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
    35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

    54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
    55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
    56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
    57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
    58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
    59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
    60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
    61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
    62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
    63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    This is in contrast to the saving of souls which is accomplished through conversion, a saved sinner repenting of his sins and walking in the spirit.

    James 5
    19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    Brethren is someone who is saved by believing already, but their soul is in danger of death if they sin.

    28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
     
  8. PowerndBlood

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    James a saved, born again christian will never go to hell. They cannot sin in their soul any longer, it has been cut loose from the body of sin(flesh)and is now part of Christ's sinless Body.

    *Eph 1:13 - In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    *Eph 4:30 - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    *Colos. 2:11 - In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

    *Rom 4:8 - Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    *Rom 7:17 - Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    ***1john 3:9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


    They/we will however reap what we sow in the flesh on earth and loose rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ, but not in hell.

    God can and sometimes does kill a christian that gets to far away from Him.

    *1Co:3:11: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    *1Co:3:12: Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

    *1Co:3:13: Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    *1Co:3:14: If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    *1Co:3:15: If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by fire."
     
  9. Craigbythesea

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    Absolute nonsense! None of the scriptures that you quote support such foolishness, nor do any other scriptures in the Bible.

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  10. PowerndBlood

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    Craig don't argue with Paul and the Holy Spirit.

    What does this support then? Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    I'll tell you what it supports, it supports just what it says, now was that hard?

    If Paul admits to sin in his flesh(which he does) and the above verse is also true(which it is) then it can only mean a saved persons soul.

    Craig, please do not try to pay God for or earn something that He is fully willing to give(free) you, which is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.

    just read, believe and trust.
     
  11. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    What!!! I was not even aware that Paul and the Holy Spirit were members of this message board. Where can I find some of their posts?

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  12. Lacy Evans

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    This scripture has nothing to do with salvation. It is addressed to people who are already saved, who are already born again. (see v2} It is about sanctification. (See v3) it is about abiding in Christ and knowing our heavenly Father. (see v6) It is about refraining from sin! (see v8) (Like a non-believer is going to be able to stop sinning, and even if he does will it do him any good?)

    Are you abiding in him? It's easy to tell. Are you sinning?

    Lacy
     
  13. PowerndBlood

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    Their posts have been made long before a message board was ever born, but only those who believe seem to be able to read and understand them.

    * i will give you a hint - they are in a book that 1,000's of people call a bible.
     
  14. Craigbythesea

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    I will give you a hint, read a good Gospel tract that includes the plan of salvation. [​IMG]

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    lol, that got me Craig.Good jab.

    but what if the greek or hebrew the tract originally came from could have been tranlated differently in several places?

    Can i trust it or should i wait until every scroll has been found and studied to believe?
     
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    A tract that uses the KJB will do just fine. [​IMG]

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    This scripture has nothing to do with salvation. It is addressed to people who are already saved, who are already born again. (see v2} It is about sanctification. (See v3) it is about abiding in Christ and knowing our heavenly Father. (see v6) It is about refraining from sin! (see v8) (Like a non-believer is going to be able to stop sinning, and even if he does will it do him any good?)

    Are you abiding in him? It's easy to tell. Are you sinning?

    Lacy
    </font>[/QUOTE]Lacy, the verse has to do with a saved(past tense) persons standing in Christ.(nothing to do with their flesh)


    To answer your question, i will stand by the statement that my spirit is part of the Body of Christ and can never sin again, but at the same time one day i will die(unless Jesus returns) because the wages of sin is death and i like Paul have sin that dwelleth in me, that is in my flesh.

    Ec:7:20: For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

    I'm guessing that counts for women as well, ;)
     
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    True, Craig.
     
  19. PowerndBlood

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    Okay Craig, you tell me if i'm saved ;)

    1st, i beleive that Jesus Christ was not only real but i believe that He was God come in the flesh.

    2nd, i believe that He lived a sinless life, went to the cross and laid down His life for me and paid for my sins while doing so with His shed blood.

    3rd, i also believe that He rose again the third day just like He said He would do and that He would have done it all even if i were the only one alive.

    4th, I believe He will return again just as He promised.

    5th, i believe that a person cannot get saved until they get lost.

    6th, i know in whom i have believed and i am bought with a price and the price is non-refundable!
    :D
     
  20. Craigbythesea

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    PowerndBlood,

    That was a good gospel tract :D ! It sounds to me as though you are saved [​IMG] . Now if you don’t forget to say your hell marries [​IMG] , go to mess three times a day [​IMG] , and remember to feed your dog [​IMG] , I expect to see you in heaven :rolleyes: .

    [​IMG]
     
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