I understand why the discussion on the IFB was closed in the other forum. That section is for Fundamental Baptist to fellowship and debate. If the moderator who closed that thread feels I am out of line in posting this please delete this thread. Let me present a little background. I was saved in February 1974. From the very start I have mostly been associated with IFB churches. Through the years I have been a member of 6 different Independent Baptist churches. As a church planter I have had the privilege being involved the Lord's planting of an Independent Baptist church in Ireland. I am associated with an Independent Baptist mission agency. The mission board I am associated with and the churches I have been a part of would all consider themselves fundamentalists. I am a fundamentalist. I have had occasion to speak in scores of Independent Baptist churches. Most of them would also be fundamentalist. I have seen the ugliness which is so often associated with IFB churches. I have seen the overemphasis on personal standards. I have seen the 'spirituality checklists.' I have met the 'my way or the highway' pastors. I do know the things that cause offence and I do not condone those situations. I find those situations very sad and have opposed many of them in face to face discussions with their pastors. Saying that, I find the charge that the 'vast majority of IFB churches' hold to this kind of teaching to be offensive. Out of all the churches I have preached in, many of them in the American south, I can count on both hands the total number of churches like that which I have encountered. I am not going to throw out a generalisation - I am speaking from my own personal experience. The percentage of churches that hold to those views that I have experiences would be less than 10%. Even then, I have not seen any church that believes that our faith is perfected by works. One poster posted that 'If IFBers are honest they will admit that they believe perfecting of faith comes from keeping traditions.' While some of the extreme IFB churches may teach that standards are evidence of faith, none that I have encountered have ever claimed that they produce perfect faith.' Few that I have encountered would ever claim that standards are evidence of faith. I guess I was mostly deeply troubled by the comment that spoke of being 'delivered from the darkness of IFB' made by a brother for whom I have high regard and great respect. I have never been involved with one of the hyper-radical 'IFB' groups so I can't speak of them. Perhaps they do 'walk in darkness.' I would not consider them true IFB. However, even the most strict IFB churches I have been in are not walking in darkness. Misguided and poorly taught as they might be, they are people who love the Lord and have a heart for souls. Though I may not always agree with their motivation or methods, the do share the gospel of Christ and people will be in heaven because of them. There are those who would not consider me a fundamentalist. Some have disassociated because I am 'too liberal' for them. I still contend that these men are my brothers in Christ who desire to do right. We just have different ideas of how to do right. I also praise God for my SBC brethren who are faithfully sharing the gospel and edifying believers. The same goes for any church, no matter that their label, who are doing the same. Make no mistake - I am an Independent Baptist, and I am a fundamentalist. I am enjoying walking in the glorious light of the gospel of Christ and striving to serve Him. Darkness has not described my life in a long, long time.