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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Major B, May 31, 2004.
A & E's Ike movie is tonight at 7C and again at 9C. Let's watch and discuss.
Talked me into it.
Not me. Kelly's Heroes is on and I wouldn't miss it for the 20th time!
Much more personable than Eisenhower!!
Come on, Dr. Bob. You could also catch "The Barbarians" on The History Channel or "The Longest Day" on AMC at the same time, both preferable to Eastwood.
Now, if it were "Von Ryan's Express," well, that's another story.
BTW: I watched "Ike" and enjoyed it. One of the most noticeable things was the incredible amount of cigarette smoke.
I also was glad that it didn't sink into the Kate Somersby gossip.
I am old enough to remember when practically everybody smoked. I loved the scene in Monty's HQ when the King lit up...
I thought Selleck did a really good job.
I think this is Selleck's best job yet (although he's a wonderful cowboy actor, too.)
I admit I was initially skeptical; after all, my most clear memories of him are as Magnum, though his work in the Zane Grey movies had softened that a bit.
It's easy to be typecast; I had to watch "The Crossing" a couple of times so that I could forget Jeff Bridges' "Dumb and Dumber" role.
I am watching it the "next time through" (A&E always shows new shows back to back to back). Agree that Seleck comes across strong and accurate to my understanding.
Thought Churchill actor was weak.
I thought it was pretty good. I think Selleck is a great actor and because he was in it my wife watched also.
There was a very interesting discussion between Churchill and Ike about the "work of God." What did you think of that?
Of course Kelly's Hero's is hard to compete with but I know I would have watched that one alone (again).
Funny that Seleck looked more like MacArthur than Ike!
Wonder if A&E will go the next step and do a bio on Ike the President. We had Adlai Stevenson in our home a couple of times (along with Humphrey - my dad was a Teamster) and grew up in a home cussing every decision Ike made 1952-60!
Including his choice of a VP!
As a matter of fact, A&E is showing a biography of Ike tonight.
Wouldn't you know I'd miss it! We had a Maranatha Baptist College singing group at church tonight (instead of Wednesday). Maybe they'll run it later. I'm up a while tonight.
It wasn't bad, but I took notes and have a list of quibbles. But that's just me.
"Including his choice of a VP! "
At least Stevenson got that one right.
Still on the whole Eisenhower seems to have been a very good president.
His foreign policy possibly needed a little adjustment when it came to Iran and Vietnam.
He handled the complicated issues of the cold war very well and he was quite right that one time he did the civil rights thing.
Mr. Selleck has starred in TV movies adapted from books written by Louis L'Amour .
As for IKE, the scene I like the most is his private conversation with Uncle Chucky DeGaulle. And people think the current French government's attitude vis-a-vis US actions in the world is something new .
Agree, Squire. Wanted to reach out and throttle the bejeebers out of that arrogant frog!
While I know it was "real life", do you think that was emphasized because of recent problems with the French?
Maybe, but deGaulle's petulance and, uh, exaggerated sense of self, have long been known and written about; it didn't seem to be to be out of place in the movie.
You are indeed right, Squire. It was getting Louis mixed up with Ike's favorite novelist.
I'm expecting Ike to pull up on a Hawaiian beach in a sports coupe He does a good job of playing Ike, but he still doesn't beat John Voigt's portrayal of FDR in "Pearl Harbor" !!
Nope, I don't think Uncle Chuck's petulance was over emphasized in the movie because of recent events. Remember, he also pulled France out of NATO's military command structure. SHAFE later NATO HQ between 44 and the 60s was in the Paris region. Also, when the US bombed Libya from bases in England, our bombers had to take a detour around French air space because they would not give us over flight permission.
Yes, Uncle Charlie's 'tude has long been known. It has influenced the leaders who have succeeded him in the Fifth Republic. This is not so well known or understood by the American public.
As for Gray v. L'Amour, while Ike was reading Zane, Louis was Captain L'Amour, AUSA, commanding a company of tank destroyers on the front lines in Northern France.