Illegal Actions at the Justice Department

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    http://news.aol.com/story/_a/justice-weeded-out-liberals-audit-says/20080624162909990001


    Justice Weeded Out Liberals, Audit Says
    By LARA JAKES JORDAN,AP
    Posted: 2008-06-24 18:48:37
    Filed Under: Law News, Politics News

    WASHINGTON (June 24) - Ivy Leaguers and other top law students were rejected for plum Justice Department jobs two years ago because of their liberal leanings or objections to Bush administration politics, a government report concluded Tuesday.

    In one case, a Harvard Law student was passed over after criticizing the nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. In another, a Georgetown University student who had previously worked for a Democratic senator and congressman didn't make the cut.

    Even senior Justice Department officials flinched at what appeared to be hiring decisions based — improperly and illegally — on politics, according to the internal report.

    "Individuals at the department were rejecting any of our candidates who could be construed as left-wing or who were perceived, based on their appearances and resumes and so forth, as being more liberal," Kevin Ohlson, deputy director of the department's executive office of immigration review, complained to Justice investigators.

    The report marked the culmination of a yearlong investigation by Justice's inspector general and Office of Professional Responsibility into whether Republican politics were driving hiring polices at the once fiercely independent department.

    The investigation is one of several that examine accusations of White House political meddling within the Justice Department. Those accusations were initially driven by the firings of nine U.S. attorneys in late 2006 and culminated with the ouster of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general last September.

    The report issued Tuesday concluded that politics and ideology disqualified a significant number of newly graduated lawyers and summer interns seeking coveted Justice jobs in 2006.

    As early as 2002, career Justice employees complained to department officials that Bush administration political appointees had largely taken over the hiring process for summer interns and so-called Honors Program jobs for newly graduated law students. For years, job applicants had been judged on their grades, the quality of their law schools, their legal clerkships and other experiences.

    But in 2002, many applicants who identified themselves as Democrats or were members of liberal-leaning organizations were rejected while GOP loyalists with fewer legal skills were hired, the report found. Of 911 students who applied for full-time Honors jobs that year, 100 were identified as liberal — and 80 were rejected. By comparison, 46 were identified as conservative, and only four didn't get a job offer.

    The political filtering of applicants ebbed for the three years between 2003 and 2005, the inquiry found, then resumed by 2006.

    Of 602 Honors candidates that year, 150 were identified as liberal — including 83 who were cut. Five of 28 self-described conservatives were rejected.

    Investigators blamed two political appointees on a three-person screening committee for the preferential treatment. It also singled out one of them, former deputy attorney general staff chief Michael Elston, for failing to make sure the hirings were proper — and giving evasive and misleading answers about why they were not.

    An attorney for Elston, who is now in private practice, did not immediately return a message seeking comment.

    Although federal law prohibits discriminating against government job applicants based on their politics, it's unlikely that any of those involved in the hiring process will be penalized since they no longer work at the department. A Justice official said the department is not considering pressing criminal charges or taking or civil actions against them.

    Democrats quickly seized on the report to bludgeon the Bush administration for playing politics with a department sworn to uphold the law fairly.

    "This is the first smoking gun," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee. "We believe there will be more to come. This report shows clearly that politics and ideology replaced merit as the hiring criteria at one of our most prized civil service departments."
     
  2. Alcott

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    I have no sympathy for Ivy League shysters who were rejected. Maybe the next administration will have the chance to prove they are different if Regeant University grads are hired on even terms with Elis.
     
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    So just what was "illegal"?
     
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    ditto. what was illegal, exactly ?
     
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    The title of the article is "Justice Weeded Out Liberals, Audit Says" so am having difficult understanding the title of the op. It may be correct in some way But I am not aware that anything mentioned in the op is illegal.
     
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    Ideology-Based Hiring at Justice Broke Laws, Investigation Finds

    It is pretty simple, it is against the law to screen and reject applicants because of their political stance.

    Senior Justice Department officials broke civil service laws by rejecting scores of young applicants who had links to Democrats or liberal organizations, according to a biting report issued yesterday.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/24/AR2008062400819.html

    Even the politically connservative Washington Times says it was wrong using the word inappropriate.

    Quotes from the Washington Times:

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/25/lawyers-tied-to-liberals-rejected-in-hiring/?page=2

    Do a bit of searching on your own and you will see this administration is perhaps the most corrupt in our nations history, disregarding laws, engaging in unjust wars, taking away civil rights, approving torture, etc.
     
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    None of the articles mentions exactly what law was broken but the whole thing is silly. It is a type of affirmative action. Nothing about this should be illegal. And the suspicion is all based on the ratio of liberals hired verses conservatives. No real motive can be established.
     
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    Newspapers seldom cite laws in their reports. If you are really that interested check some online law reviews in a fe days.

    I did not realize you are in favor of affirmative action. That is very interesting.

    That is a red herring. If it is the law and they broke it then they are law breakers. So, you believe in discrimination. How can you be in favor of affirmative action and also in discrimination?

    More quotes:

    Even the Justice Department says that civil law was violated.
    and Monica Goodling admitted that she might have violated the law.
    There is a lot of smoke here and you know where there is smoke there is ....


    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-justice25-2008jun25,0,1485683.story
     
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    Politics as usual .

    Illegal? :laugh:

    Not a chance.
     
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    There is a law that says an employer cannot discriminate against anyone on the basis of race, gender, or age.

    Well, I'm up here in majority white Western New York. Have been jobless for a while. Was hired by a service company, with all enthusiasm and whatnot.

    Three weeks later, they fired me.
    Reason ? I couldn't meet their "speed" standards.
    Meaning ? They think I move too slow.
    During the hiring process and the interview process, they never mentioned anything about "speed" standards.

    Translation ? Polite way of saying, "sorry, I made a mistake. you're too old for the job".

    Violation ? no discrimination on the basis of age.

    They got around that by how they said it : "you know. you got the experience and the knowledge, and you know what to do when you get to the job site, and I'm pretty sure you can pass the State Certification tests in a breeze, but you just couldn't keep up with the speed required by the job".

    Point ?
    Laws can be enacted with very strict penal provisions, but every law has its loopholes. one just has to look for it.

    legal can be illegal. illegal can be made to appear legal.

    (now, this is my 5000th post. so i don't care if you all think it's dumb.:laugh: )
     
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    Do you remember the Supreme Court ruling when FDR tried to "pack the court?" It has been illegal for a long time. It does not matter if you and I like or hate a law. As long as it is law, it is law.

    When Obama is president will you have the same attitude if he has the Justice Dept. appoint only liberal candidates? I think not. :laugh:
     
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    U.S. Attorneys are political appointees.

    That's the whole point.

    Clinton fired over 90 U.S. Attorneys because the were either too conservative or republicans.

    Politics as usual.

    Neither of us have to like it. That's just the way it is.
     
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    Check Justice Department guidelines and civil law. Your argument is with them.

    What is your source for this? I'd like to read it.
     
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    That is common, accepted knowledge. You should be able to google it, I only got 395,000 hits.....
     
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    Are you trying to whisper?:laugh:
     
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    I'll leave it to the readers to judge if CTB would like to engage facts, or gloss over the ones he doesn't like. I believe he would support that approach.
     
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    You are evidently too poorly informed on the subject to engage in this debate.

    Catch up and get back to us.
     

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