Illegal Immigrants: Click on link to send a free fax

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  1. LadyEagle

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    This is a good site to go to numbersusa.com is well organized and they are very dependable about getting the message across on how illegal immigration is deteriorating the values of this country.
     
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    Is there any correlation between how Israel was commanded to treat strangers in their land and how we ought to treat strangers in our land?
     
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    I believe our country has gone to great extremes in treating our amigos to the south of us with great kindness. The problem is that big business is attracting illegals for the cheap labor while certain illegals are coming over to take over our country.
     
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    We treat LEGAL immigrants very kindly.

    We also treat ILLEGAL immigrants too kindly, considering they broke the Law of the Land to invade us.
     
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    I'll pass.
     
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    Just recievd e-mail from numberusa today. There may be hope that Senator Pryor could swing around and oppose amnesty for illegals, of course Blanche Lincoln still appears to be a hopeless cause.
    I would encourage all Arkansans to contact or write Senator Pryor to follow up on Rep. Tom Tancredo's recommendations of opposing amnesty.
    I have just finished out a form letter and attached a personal message to Sen. Pryor.
     
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    Israel was commanded to do many things in the old testament times some of which we wouldn't have the courage nor stomach to do today.

    America has always been generous and helpful to legal immigrants. We've taken in many categories of persons including refugees who had no where else to go. We did those things because we, through our government, made the choice to help by permitting legal entry.

    We have about 5 million people right now waiting for legal permission to enter this country. There cases are being considered and they're going through the proper process for approval. Some have been waiting for several years.

    America has every right to have established its borders - some at the cost of blood - and to now control who can and who can not cross them. Those who choose to ignore our law and come into this country without an invitation don't belong here no matter what excuses are made for them.

    They are just like an uninvited guest would be in your own home. You could choose to help a stranger in need if you wanted to do so. But if they just barged in and demanded your help - claiming an inherent right to it - you'd want that person evicted wouldn't you?

    That's what I expect - demand - that my government do with respect to the 12 million people who are now here in this country without permission.

    Think about where this is headed if we don't get control of the situation real soon.
     
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    "When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God." - Leviticus 19:33-34

    Should the fact that our ancestors were also immigrants have any bearing? I don't see the legal/illegal distinction being made in Scripture. It simply says to Israel that if they are here you should treat them like natives, because you once were foreigners too. When I look at the reasons God gave Israel for accepting foreigners I have a hard time thinking that the same principles do not apply to us. So, if anyone thinks that the fact that our ancestors were immigrants is irrelevant I would love to hear why.
     
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    A person who "sojourns" is a traveler passing through and perhaps staying a while - not an uninvited invader who comes in to set up camp permanently with the intent to run you out.

    Not only are my ancestors (real close ancestors) immigrants but so are many in my own generation.

    The key difference between them and the illegal immigrants in question is that every single one of them (my family) came here by legal means with appropriate permission and after considerable time, effort, and cost.

    Another key difference is that every single one of them is loyal to this nation in which they live and make no demands upon it for any special consideration. They carried their "green cards" until they could apply, test for, and be granted citizenship.
     
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    double post
     
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    A person who "sojourns" is a traveler passing through and perhaps staying a while - not an uninvited invader who comes in to set up camp permanently with the intent to run you out.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Talk about splitting hairs. I'm sure Christ would feel the same way. Why don't you ask Him when you get to heaven. How much do ya wanna bet, HE won't make the same distinction? Guess we have to wait to find out. Personally I would rather ere on the side of caution. Then again I don't agree with the vast majority of people on the BB when it comes to political issues anyway. :rolleyes:
     
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    I appreciate your comments and, if I understand correctly, must suppose you're in favor of helping strangers in our land because God so commanded it. I can certainly agree there's a time and place for doing that (helping strangers) and we should always seek to obey God's commands.

    Correct discernment of scripture is very important. It's easy to pick one verse out of the whole Bible and claim it supports one position or the other especially in a different venue. That much I'm sure about.

    I also know that I'm not always - or even often - correct it my meager attempts to properly discern the scriptures. I'm always learning something new.

    So, I will certainly make no bets when it comes to what our Lord will judge. I am but a small creation of the Lord and in no position to bet upon what He might decide. What would I bet that would have any value? I don't expect I'll need to ask Him anything as none of these things will matter since all the tears and pains of this life will be wiped away and I'll know whatever I need to know.

    But, with respect the quoted scripture for Leviticus, consider, just for an example, that in the same book there are numerous commands to put death those who violate numerous laws of assorted sinful sexual behavior. Does that justify the application of such sentences today? Consider further that in other books of the Bible the Lord orders His people to go in to a land and kill everyone therein so they might have it for their own. Does that justify any and all such acts we might choose to associate with that particular scripture? I think all of it has to be taken as a whole and in proper context.

    It seems to me that we do have a Christian obligation to show kindness and generosity to strangers in our land but it also seems just as appropriate that we have a right to regulate which strangers are permitted to be in our land. Do the scriptures not recognize the existence of boundaries of nations and the right of governments to maintain order in its lands for its peoples?

    Of course, if we don't want to do this with some order and according to law, then we could just forget about having any borders, rules, or requirements at all. We could just let any one that wants come in as they please and go wherever they wish. We could then put these "sojourners", as you may wish to consider them, on our list of welcomed guests to host in our homes every day as they continue to overwhelm us all. In such case we will soon find ourselves to be the "sojourners" fleeing the invasion we'd wished we stopped when we could.
     
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    Dragoon,

    I understand where you are coming from, and agree, in theory, with most of what you say. Thank you for not being of the "shoot 'em to keep 'em out" variety. Honestly, I don't feel there is some "invasion" taking place, nor do I feel overwhelmed. I also do not feel a mass deportation is feasible, nor a cure all for this situation. Personally, I have no problem with people wanting to come here to try and make a decent living for themselves and their families. Granted it should be done through legal means, but I don't hold a grudge when it is not. IMHO it is no different from our American businesses "invading" Latin American, or other developing countries, making millions of dollars in profit, (many times to the detriment of the citizens of that country, I might add), and then packing up shop and moving to the next prime target with cheaper labor, more relaxed environmental policies. I take pity on the people in these countries, and am ashamed at the abuses we allow our government, and businesses, to get away with in the name of capitalism. Just my . 02 cents worth. I realize my opinion will not be too popular around here, but this is not a popularity contest. You're free to have your opinion, and I mine. Anyway, thank you for presenting your opinion in a respectful, and Christian, way. I honestly almost did not even read it, due to my disgust over this issue in another thread.
     
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