Illegals - why no uproar in 2006?

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  1. Salty

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    Gov Romney signed an agreement in Dec 06 with federal authorities that allows Massachusetts State Police to detain suspected illegal immigrants.

    Thirty troopers were to received federally funded training, then be allowed to question and detain suspected illegal immigrants.

    So, its okay for Mass to detain illegals, but Arizona shouldn't?
     
  2. saturneptune

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    Salty,
    A very good question. The first thing that comes to mind is one party playing games with the other for political gain, but Gov Romney and Gov Brewer are both Republicans. Gov Romney signed an agreement with the federal government for funding, which is much less permanent (or maybe legal) than a law passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor. Also, Mass is not on the southern border, so one would think that the problem would be much less than Arizona. All those facts do not seem to explain your observation, but that is all I could think of.
     
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    That was then, this is now.

    Dismantling of States Rights apparently part of the "fundamental
    change" advocated by the current administation.

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    They didn't put a provision in the law that is an affront to the the liberties of US citizens. They worked off existing provisions rather than established new one. Specifically on the grounds of reasonable suspicion you can ask anyone for their papers.
     
  5. Salty

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    What new provisions has Az put into place?
     
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    terms Lawful contact and reasonable suspicions which are both loosely defined. However, I've heard Arizona had to provide a more rigid definition of these terms to adhere to prevent interpretation so as to endanger citizen rights. Once these terms are strictly defined I no longer have a problem with it. Apart from the increased restrictions on what LEO's could do I've back off somewhat.
     
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    Feelingstuff, why do you continue to play this game? You are looking very silly.

    http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/span-249636-law-arizona.html

    "FOR ANY LAWFUL STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

    What this means is that one simply cannot be stopped or inquired of, regarding their immigration status, based on any kind of suspicion whatsoever, not without a condition precedent, not without being stopped for an illegal act antecedent. For example, one will not be inquired of unless first stopped for violating some other law, like speeding or running a red light. Status and looks are not in play. And then, if inquired about, all inquiry stops if proof such as a driver’s license or green card is shown."
     
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    And let's not forget that Arizona's law is very similar to Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and yet, nobody compared Bill Clinton to Hitler or accused him of being a racist or "anti-immigrant".
     

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