illogical arguments

not destroyed, but will be recreated as new heavens/new earth/eternal state!

 

Consider the kind of literature that is. The "destruction of the earth" is not the vanishing of the earth as matter but the judgment of God.

 

Still. i think you distort what God intends. Yes, God will pass judgement on mankind, but He will still acheive what He wanted in Genesis 1 before man/satan messed it up.

The Earth will be restored, not destroyed.

John

 

What kind of literature?

The Bible is not just "Literature", it is the Word of God.

I get my information from the Bible.....what 'literature" do you get yours from?

John

 

Yes, obviously Peter was acting in accordance with the Holy Spirit, but I'm not comfortable using his interpretative method to interpret scripture today.

Of course, I'm looking at things from a Western, post-"Enlightenment" viewpoint steeped in rationalism, so my perspective is heavily skewed from the perspective of first-century Near East culture.

Sure. At the same time, we get into the same trouble with Paul - in just one example, Paul's use of the allegory of covenants (Galatians 4:21-31) using the story of Sarah and Hagar, Mount Sinai and Jerusalem, the child or slavery and the child of promise - he's not using any of those stories or scripture according to the original plain meanings of the text.

He would be reprimanded by the hermeneutics professor for that interpretation!

 

Calm down. I don't think anyone has said the Bible is "just" literature.

Since the Bible is in literary form, it is perfectly correct to say that the Bible is literature. Saying that does not diminish it in any way. It is also the word of God.

Your reaction reminds me of the seizures some people get when one refers to Jesus as a great Teacher. He certainly was a great Teacher (although for some reason, Christians seem to forget that) and that doesn't mean that He was/is also not the Son of God.

It gets hard to talk about the things of God if people are always assuming malevolence on unbelief just because you don't say everything that could be said about a subject, or isolate a certain facet of something in order to draw attention to a specific truth.

 

My point exactly.

 

Sorry, yes I have been known to have the occasional seizure....:thumbs:

John

 

No problem!

I know how it gets sometimes. :laugh:

 

Letters must be interpreted as letters. The letters Paul wrote followed the standard form of a letter of the day. When you write letters do use one form reserved for a non-Christian and another for a believer?

A good book to read would be How To Read The Bible For All Its Worth by Fee and Stuart.

Figures of speech must be interpreted in that way. Idioms must be interpreted as idioms. When is the last time you told a friend that you have great bowels of mercy for him?

 

Are you saying that some of the NT is just Paul's opinion and not the inspired Word of God? I dont see how the NT can be compared to just a letter of modern day, or how it can be read for "All it's worth"

John

 

How do you know that Paul wrote any letters? If you use the same form of a letter written to a Christian friend in your city is it no good because it uses the same form used throughout American society?

 

I have no clue what you just said

John

 

Think before you write next time.

 

Anybody wanna take a stab at exegeting these verses?
II Peter 3:10-12

From I Thessalonians 5, Paul also writes about the Day the Lord's coming like a thief in the night. Most scholars see the Day of the Lord as the Second Coming at the end of the Tribulation.

So, does this literally happen then, or is this symbolic in some way?

 

Day of the Lord is used a lot in the OT ands ome in the NT

Isaiah 13:6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near!
It will come as destruction from the Almighty.
Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;
And He will exterminate its sinners from it.
Ezek 13:5 "You have not gone up into the breaches, nor did you build the wall around the house of Israel to stand in the battle on the day of the Lord.
Ezek 30:3 "For the day is near,
Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds,
A time of doom for the nations.
Joel 1:15 Alas for the day!
For the day of the Lord is near,
And it will come as destruction from the Almighty.
Joel 2:1 Blow a trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,
For the day of the Lord is coming;
Surely it is near,
Joel 2:11 The Lord utters His voice before His army;
Surely His camp is very great,
For strong is he who carries out His word.
The day of the Lord is indeed great and very awesome,
And who can endure it?
Joel 2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.
Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
Amos 5:18 Alas, you who are longing for the day of the Lord,
For what purpose will the day of the Lord be to you?
It will be darkness and not light;
Amos 5:20 Will not the day of the Lord be darkness instead of light,
Even gloom with no brightness in it?
Obad 1:15 "For the day of the Lord draws near on all the nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you.
Your dealings will return on your own head.
Zeph 1:7 Be silent before the Lord God!
For the day of the Lord is near,
For the Lord has prepared a sacrifice,
He has consecrated His guests.
Zeph 1:14 Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
Mala 4:5 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord.
Acts 2:20 `The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.
1Cor 5:5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1The 5:2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.
2The 2:2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
2Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

 

I thought my post out very well, thank you.

It is your post that is uncomprehendable.

John

 

Could you be specific about what you do not have a clue about.