Illuminatti - Free Masonry

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  1. butterbloom

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    I ran across a website the other day that disturbed me. It shows a picture of Pres. Bush showing the masonry sign, and I really didn't think about it until now, although I think I've heard that he is a freemason.

    This site links the illumatti to freemasonry and the events of 9/11.

    I would like your comments on this.

    Here is the website's link:http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm
     
  2. Grammy1013

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    It's true. And it's been brought to my attention over the past several years that EVERY President the US has ever had has been a member.
     
  3. Bible Believing Bill

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    Maybe this thread should be linked to the conspiracy theory one.

    I don't claim to have any knowledge about the masons and the illuminatti, but I would find it the next thing to the impossible for George W. Bush or any other American President to have planned an attack against their own county.

    Bill
     
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    I've taken the liberty of reposting the url so your link is live.

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm

    All this is based on the number 11?

    It's just silly.

    BTW was Jimmy Carter, a Baptist, a Freemason? There have been a few other Baptist Presidents. Were they also Freemasons?

    [ September 12, 2002, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: trying2understand ]
     
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    One of the most disturbing things I heard about the President was when he worshipped at a Shinto Shrine, clapping his hands to wake their god.

    http://www.faithdefenders.com/newsflashes/02-23-02d.html

    The area we live in is heavily populated with UPC/Apostolics(Oneness-JesusOnly), and the SBC here is heavily populated with Masons. :(
     
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    [ September 13, 2002, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
     
  7. Grammy1013

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    Please .... let me clarify: I didn't say Bush or any other President planned an attack against their own country. I said Bush and all other presidents were members of the masons. Don't know if you were responding to MY post, Bill, but I just had to clear that up ... just in case.
     
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    [ September 13, 2002, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
     
  9. Lauren

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    Grammy, if you dont mind my interjection, you didnt personally say that Bush was behind the attacks, but the website you linked to DOES suggest that very thing. Does anyone here actually believe that Bush ordered the attacks of 9-11-01?
    I am quite familliar with the Masons. My father is a freemason and a Southern Baptist. He is currently serving in his third term through the "line"in his Blue lodge. His lodge has a great big KJV on the altar. My grandfather completed the 32nd degree. My parents and grandparents were in Eastern Star for many years. My brother was in Demolay and I was in Job's Daughters and Rainbow girls.
    Isnt the fist with index and pinky "hang loose", like "take is easy" kind of thing ????? I lived in Hawaii for a time and people always were waving it around. I have seen pictures of Aliester Crowley making the two horned sign, but that doersnt neccessarily mean any thing, could have lots of meanings.
    The whole conspiracy thing........well anything is possible i guess but then again.....this could simply be one of the largest, most persistent modern urban legends.
    peace to all-Lauren
     
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    The hang loose sign is a fist with the pinky and thumb out, not the pinky and index finger. Just fyi. I know next to nothing about Freemasonry.
     
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    duh me! thank you for the correction, stubbornkelly, i had my fingers mixed up! i knew that, really..... ;)
     
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    If Masons are real christians, then why do they take oaths and keep sercrets? They take an oath stating that their tongue will be cut out if they betray another member or tell of their secrets.

    I wish I still had the book written by a former member. The things they do will chill you to the bone.

    They also call one in high standing" Most Worshipful Master"!!

    I worship only one master and His name is Jesus Christ!

    Susan
     
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    Numberology is a bad thing, people get mixed up in things that aren't facts.
    I don't know much about mason signs, but that sign Bush is giving is the sign language sign for love. I noticed Clinton's is a little different, what it means if anything I don't know, prephaps it is the same sign, I don't know.
    Are there any actual facts that either are or were masons?
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    I usually stay away from those sites that try to make something out of numbers. It can be dangerous to start seeing things in numbers.

    [ September 12, 2002, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: katie ]
     
  14. Grammy1013

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    Lauren, *I* didn't post the link ... I was quoting the person who DID post it, so that I could respond to their comments. [​IMG]
     
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    ...not to butt in, but what's the problem with that? I know enough about Masonic ritual (my grandfather is the 2nd highest degree possible for a Freemason to achieve). I've observed rituals, and I can tell you that the altar in the centre of the room is simply host to an immense Bible (KJV).

    They're just as Christian as the Presbyterians are (minus the strange ecclesiastics)...*shrug*
    </font>[/QUOTE]Wow ... I wish everyone would READ what I write and don't put words on my posts that I didn't put there. I didn't say ONE WAY OR THE OTHER whether there was something wrong with them all being masons .... All I said was that it was brought to my attention recently that they all WERE! ...

    Geez. :confused:
     
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    ...not to butt in, but what's the problem with that? I know enough about Masonic ritual (my grandfather is the 2nd highest degree possible for a Freemason to achieve). I've observed rituals, and I can tell you that the altar in the centre of the room is simply host to an immense Bible (KJV).

    They're just as Christian as the Presbyterians are (minus the strange ecclesiastics)...*shrug*
    </font>[/QUOTE]Wow ... I wish everyone would READ what I write and don't put words on my posts that I didn't put there. I didn't say ONE WAY OR THE OTHER whether there was something wrong with them all being masons .... All I said was that it was brought to my attention recently that they all WERE! ...

    Maybe it was confusing because I started my post with "It's true". Those 2 words were in response to the comment that Bush is a freemason ... nothing else (thought I clarified that already, but then I got accused of posting the 9/11 link)

    I personally don't think freemasonry is as "innocent" or "good" as some seem to think, but I'm not going to debate it ... until or unless I get more educated on the subject.
    :confused:
     
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    I don't intend to spend any time with this, but it's obvious all presidents have not been Masons; after all, JFK was Roman Catholic.

    I'll just pass along this link from the Masons themselves:

    http://www.dcgrandlodge.org/pres.htm
     
  18. Lauren

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    Sorry, Grammy, rereading the i do see that you did not post the link. i apologizefor "putting words in you mouth" so to speak. I did take your comment"its true" to mean that you agreed with what the website said and appreciate the clarification. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    I too am not prepared to debate in detail the rights and/or wrongs of masonry. The main thing I know is, my father has been a mason for over 30 years and he is very active in his Baptist church. I certainly dont think he has anything to do with "illuminatti"...if there is an illuminatti.
    ........ Then again, I am not so sure they have it right either. Then again, Im not so sure that ANYONE has it right!
    I cant say if the bible is truly inerranteither. Does that make me technically not a baptist? Wrong forum for discussing that i guess.....
    I do believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and if I be saved it is by Him and not anything I do or could ever do. (good thing too, because i could NEVER make it there myself!) ;)

    It is interesting the wide differences in what people believe, even in one "denomination"
    such as Baptist, not just about masonry but many other issues.
    His peace be with all-L
     
  19. Baptist Believer

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    It's all a lie of course. [​IMG] They are out to steal our precious bodily fluids!
     
  20. Rev. Joshua

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    In six years in military intelligence I had to swear many oaths and keep many secrets. Did that make me any less a Christian?

    Joshua
     

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