I'm an economic Marxist not a political Marxist

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  1. billwald

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    The economic history of the world is evidence that the Marxian analysis is correct.

    There is NO evidence that a proletarian revolution will ever succeed or that a communistic government will ever be successful. Jesus' prophecy that the world will never run out of serfs must be God's world view.

    In other words, the hyper-right wing is probably the most accurate analysis even though I hate it. We are in the last stages in the slippery slope to rule by multinational corporations. I have lived through the best and most optimistic times the working people have ever seen but it will never return. Eat, drink, and be merry as the merry-go-round coasts to a stop.


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    Marxism is an economic and sociopolitical worldview and method of socioeconomic inquiry that centers upon a materialist interpretation of history, a dialectical view of social change, and an analysis and critique of the development of capitalism. Marxism was pioneered in the early to mid 19th century by two German philosophers, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Marxism encompasses Marxian economic theory, a sociological theory and a revolutionary view of social change that has influenced political movements around the world.[1]


    The Marxian analysis begins with an analysis of material conditions, taking at its starting point the necessary economic activities required by human society to provide for its material needs. The form of economic organization, or mode of production, is understood to be the basis from which the majority of other social phenomena — including social relations, political and legal systems, morality and ideology — arise (or at the least by which they are greatly influenced). These social relations form the superstructure, for which the economic system forms the base. As the forces of production, most notably technology, improve, existing forms of social organization become inefficient and stifle further progress.[citation needed]


    These inefficiencies manifest themselves as social contradictions in society in the form of class struggle. Under the capitalist mode of production, this struggle materializes between the minority (the bourgeoisie) who own the means of production, and the vast majority of the population (the proletariat) who produce goods and services. Taking the idea that social change occurs because of the struggle between different classes within society who are under contradiction against each other, the Marxist analysis leads to the conclusion that capitalism oppresses the proletariat, which leads to a proletarian revolution.
    Capitalism according to Marxist theory can no longer sustain the living standards of the population due to its need to compensate for falling rates of profit by driving down wages, cutting social benefits and pursuing military aggression. The socialist system would succeed capitalism as humanity's mode of production through workers' revolution. According to Marxism, Socialism is a historical necessity (but not an inevitability)
     
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    Interesting because it did not seem to work too well for Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
     
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    You cannot separate the economics from the social parts of Marxism because one does not work without the other.
     
  4. billwald

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    >You cannot separate the economics from the social parts of Marxism because one does not work without the other.

    The economic part is part prophetic and coming to pass right now in the US.

    The social part then proposes a economic solution which failed in the USSR and will never come to pass.


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    JS: Let me step back and say that economists always like to think about the counter-facts or what life would be if we go down one course versus another. We're not gonna to be entering the Garden of Eden. But if we go down the route that we're going, we're going to a world where people live in gated communities. We already have by far the largest fraction of our population locked up in prison. We will have an increasingly insecure society. Americans will be facing insecurity, of economic insecurity, healthcare insecurity, a sense of physical insecurity. We will be worrying politically about the role of extremism. Extremism on the right, extremism on the left. So that's the kind of picture that I can see as going down towards. I see so many other countries that have these divided societies going down this directions.
     

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