I'm beginning to think...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mexdeaf, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. Mexdeaf

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    ... which will be news to some of you, I am sure. :laugh:

    Seriously, I am beginning to think that we need to pay LESS attention to who is running for president and pay more attention to who is running our churches. That is the real seat of the problem.
     
  2. Amy.G

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    Yes. I was shocked to find out that you've been thinking. :tongue3:

    I agree. Change begins with us, our churches, and our Christian leaders.
     
  3. freeatlast

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    Yes we needs to return to God instead of the teachings of men.
     
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    I am glad you started thinking Mexdeaf, what took you so long? :smilewinkgrin:

    There is still a belief within some churches that not thinking equates to spirituality, and can be seen with those who hold to an anti-intellectual mentality.

    I had a preacher brag to me after I had spoken about how he never had to use notes like I did. I heard him preach once and I became a believer that he didn't use notes, but should have. He was a text and a tantrum preacher! :laugh:

    Yes, I agree with what you say, we need to pay more attention to ourselves, we have the answer through following God and faithfully preaching His Word, not who is elected president next term.

    - Peace
     
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    I agree with the OP. While it is our duty to be informed of what's going on in the realm of politics, Jesus COMMANDED us to reach the lost, baptize those who've received Christ as savior, and teach them the Word of God!!

    Remember, it's more important to dwell on what happened on Calvary's hill than what may happen on Capitol Hill.
     
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    >Jesus COMMANDED us . . . .

    You one of the 12 Apostles? <G>
     
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    Agreed! We need to focus more on Christ, definitely, as individuals, than any political candidate. Only HE has the answers. Our preachers need to do the same and preach God's word totally and unashamedly. Great post!

    I do believe that if every Christian, when deciding for whom to vote, put each candidate under the lens of scrutiny of Bible standards, rather than that of economics or popularity or what-have-you-type of pragmatism, we would not be in the mess we are in now.
     
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    Pamela, there are not many who claim to be Chrsitians who can meet that test for themselves in everyday living.
     
  9. Mexdeaf

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    Correct.
    :thumbsup:
     
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    So how does one vote when there are no candidates that meet Christian standards? Suppose all the candidates are atheists?

    It's quite likely that we will have the choice between a Mormon and Obama in the presidential election. How does one scrutinize either of these men according to the bible?
     
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    In that case the Paulites will hope Ron will run as an independent.

    Mex, I think, I got you to think - think I'm right?

    Seriously, for the most part we can do more in our local churches. We should try to be involved politcally, but do you all remember that ole poem:
     
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    I think you have to scrutinize YOURSELF- i.e. your motives for voting for one over another. To me, THAT is the real issue.
     
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    Amy, I myself as a Christian and according to my own conscience, can vote for neither of these men because of their stands on life. That's where I begin to scrutinize. You need to pray and ask the Lord where He would have you as a Christian begin to scrutinize. My own opinion is that a Christian should vote for neither, and leave it to God to sort it all out, but I can only answer to God for myself. (Vote for a third if that one meets my standard) As far as the atheists, well, I know many atheists from my school days, and have read opinions and discussions of many others anecdotally, and NONE of them would EVER meet my strict criteria on life to begin with so I don't think I'd ever get to the religion question. Atheists just don't think the way someone who believes in the existence of God does.
     
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    So Mexdef and Pamela, are you both saying that it's better not to vote at all than vote for "bad" or "worse"?
     
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    Amy, I won't speak for Mexdeaf, but yes, I am saying that. I won't vote for someone I can't support morally just to say I voted. I am not saying I have to agree with a candidate in every nit pickety little detail of every issue. But I can not vote for someone I find immoral.
     
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    There was a time when character counted, both in the pulpit and in the political realm. That was when we, as a nation, was much more concerned with glorifying God.

    Can we, who are pastors today, lead in a change of thinking, and voting? Can we be instruments used by God to bring a revival in our churches and in our nation?
     
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    Make that three. That is exactly what I am saying. I will not vote for the likes of Obama vs a member of a cult that denies Jesus Christ as Lord. There are more than two choices. Someone will run as a Libertarian, on the Constitution ticket (my party), and I would not be surprised by a strong third party run by an Independent.
     
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    I think we have been usurped by politicians. We have been tricked by those (mostly in the Republican party, but not exclusively), into fighting social battles by legislative fascism, rather than by proclaiming the gospel in the public square.

    Rather than preaching Jesus, and denouncing sin in public, as we are commanded to do, we have found it easier to donate money to people who promise to make sin illegal. Such politicking is useless, as it lacks the heart changing power of the gospel. Worse, it sets a precedent that morality is defined by the government, rather than by God and His Word, and thus, it changes with the wicked culture.

    We need to get out on the streets and preach truth, instead of hiding behind politicians. Only the Gospel has the power to change our nation. That is why my number one issue, after abortion, is protecting personal freedom; my freedom to stand up on the street corner, and preach the truth.
     
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    I cannot imagine how it must anger the Lord to have blessed this nation so much, and we have legalized abortion, are in the process of legalizing gay marriage, and spend millions if not billions in PAC money to elect a man to lead this nation who is a member of a cult that is anti Christian, not to mention he is anti Constitutional. He is so vile, he cannot even give the external appearance of morality as most Mormons do.
     
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    Not that this is really taught today, but there was a time when the church openly preached on social issues. The Revolution and the end of slavery were both driven by what was said in the pulpits of the country. As God spoke in His Word on issues, so preached the the pastors. Our Founding Fathers really did intend it to be that way, while also allowing people to be free to believe as they wished. The intent was to have the Gospel freely preached.

    A lot changed in the 1950's.
     

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