1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Imagine:

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Havensdad, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2000
    Messages:
    11,048
    Likes Received:
    321
    Faith:
    Baptist
    While not exactly true (even the Mob had unintentional collateral damage)...this is the most valid analogy I've heard so far.
     
  2. preacher4truth

    preacher4truth Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    8,121
    Likes Received:
    17
    Yes, I'm certain there are some folks that live a mile or two away from these terrorists and are quite happy we aren't using SCUDS against them. :thumbsup:
     
  3. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    How do you know this?
     
  4. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    Thank you for your service to our country. My brother is over there with you also serving (although elsewhere in the country) and what you describe is similar to his descriptions of his time in Iraq.
     
  5. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    Totally agree with you here. We have a great military support ministry at our church and are in contact with many men and women serving in these countries and we hear consistently the same thing - the gratefulness from the citizens that we are helping them. Children thank them. Mothers cry and hug them. Men thank them with tears in their eyes. The adults know what they are being saved from.
     
  6. Mexdeaf

    Mexdeaf New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    7,051
    Likes Received:
    3
    If there is any doubt just look at what has happened in Iraq the past few days.
     
  7. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    Unfortunately, with being so busy then down with a migraine, I've not watched the news. What happened?
     
  8. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    They have polled them; I believe the last count was somewhere around 75 percent. I, also, know folks over there, personally and through a couple of different churches. There general sentiment is that while they are trying to do good, and most of the people are not mean to them, they have still made it clear that they are not happy with them being there.

    Even Sapper_woody admitted, in an earlier post, that this is so. Certainly the polls done right here in the U.S. show that overwhelmingly the U.S. populace want the troops home, want to cut off all foreign aid, etc.

    Perhaps thats why in the latest Zogby poll, Paul has doubled his support in New Hampshire (24 percent)..
     
    #68 Havensdad, Jan 5, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 5, 2012
  9. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    And I thank them as well. Understand my issue is not with them, but with the idiot bureaucrats in Washington. I greatly respect our fighting men and women.
     
  10. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    Can you show me this poll?

    That contradicts what I've heard.

    What he said is:

    Of course the US populace wants the troops home. I want my brother home. But I also want safety for others and I would be grateful should the scenerio be reversed.
     
  11. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    "79 percent of people in the two provinces say American and allied troops should start their withdrawal next summer or sooner." (this was from late last year...)

    "Nationwide, more than half of Afghans interviewed said U.S. and NATO forces should begin to leave the country"

    Also, Now:
    "more than a quarter of Afghans again say attacks against U.S. and other foreign military forces are justifiable"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/06/AR2010120601788.html

    From the Ground: These People Just want us to Leave

    Guess it depends on ones perception, where they are stationed, etc. People far away from the fighting are probably not as bothered by the occupation.


    Which is what I said he said.




    No. The poll is not "would it be nice if they were home." The poll is "Should we bring them home." The great majority of the American people are sick of these overseas entanglements, and want our troops home.

    It is as sickening to continue to use our tax dollars to fund something that we are ethically opposed to, against the majority, as it is to take our money and give it to Planned Parenthood.


    If certain people are in favor of doing some kind of charitable military involvement overseas, then they should sign up separately for this, and it should be privately funded. It is unethical to use the tax payers money to do it, against there will. This is robbery, plain and simple (much like welfare...).
     
  12. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2000
    Messages:
    11,048
    Likes Received:
    321
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Dated Dec 2010, not "now"....

    Dated 2009, not "now"....
     
  13. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    December of 2010 is not THAT long ago...

    do you have something more recent? Because the people wanted us out by summer 2011, at the latest. Do you have a more recent poll, to show that they are happy we violated there wishes?
     
  14. marke

    marke New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2011
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0
    How about imagining that all foreign and domestic peacemakers and defenders left your neighborhood so that your precious little girl can grow up without any foreign presence of any kind, so she is free to be made to marry some 70 year old sex pervert with a record number of diseases, or that the ruling thugs in your 'foreigner-free' neighborhood decides to use your precious little girl for a suicide bombing run against the nextdoor native equally murderous warlord. Just imagine what life would be like if there were no-one in the way to stop drug warlords from taking little girls into their own 'small country-sized' harem of underage slave prostitutes.

    I remember, but only vaguely, what I heard one time about a true story in India, I think. A local tribal leader was finishing off the last details with a sort of 'court' hearing among the tribal council and were going to stone a young girl for refusing to marry or disgracing her family in some minor manner like that, and a British Army officer stepped in to stop the planned proceedings with the execution. The tribal leader explained the customs of the natives and why they must kill the girl. The British officer responded by explaining British customs and why they must hang tribal leaders who do such things.

    There are those in America who do not understand what is at stake in the world today, which is why we desperately need men and women in leadership who do understand proper foreign policy. It didn't matter if 100% of Afghans did not want us going after Osama, it was imperative that we did. It doesn't matter what the Iranian people think about their leaders and about foreigners, the countries of the world cannot allow some tinpot dictator to get his hands on deadly weapons of mass destruction who has threatened to use those weapons against any and all foes who cross them in any way. These insaniacs are accustomed to killing themselves in suicide missions on small scales, we cannot allow them to annihilate themselves and the rest of the world in suicide missions on the larger scale.

    That doesn't even begin to touch on all the reasons we must keep an active military presence in the Middle East. All the thugs of all the world are after control of the Middle Esat oil fields, and they would love to have the armed guards removed. They want the oild fields because that would make them in effect the rulers of the entire world and the controllers of all the riches in the world. Not only that, but all of these insaniacs seem hell-bent on finishing what Hitler started in the merciless genocidal murder of every living jew on the planet.

    We don't need leaders who are pussy-footing around with these murderous thugs. We need leaders (Reagan was one) who will take out the 'big stick' and actually use it wisely to keep these thugs in check. If the US pulls out of the Middle East and turns its back on Israel, then God help us (or, I sould say there will be no reason to hope that God will continue to help us after that.) WW3 is coming and the only thing that is keeping it in check right now is the strong military force (mostly US) in the region at the present, keeping the thugs from making their move. As soon as we move out of the region, we will soon be drawn back there again in massive bloody conflict made much worse and harder to reestablish a fighting foothold with which to try to put the enemy down before he destroys the whole world in his insane madness.

    For those who do not see or believe these things, may I sugges a smoot and quiet reading by the fireplace of a biography on Neville Chamberlain?
     
  15. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah, cause our involvement over their hasn't only escalated the problem.

    Might I suggest a reading of the founders? And when, on EARTH, did the U.S. suddenly become the only "good guy" on the planet? That's the same garbage the Nazi's fed their people..."All those other guys are evil...not like us!"

    How long will it take you ridiculous people to realize that we are broke, and have no money, and that around 80-90 percent of our total revenue is going to pointless conflicts, that just make people hate and resent us, and make it easy recruiting for the terrorists? Does the CIA have to testify to this? Oh, wait, they already did. Do military people and former generals have to stand up and testify to this? Oh, wait, they already did.

    THEY can't be wrong, cause Bill O'Reilly and Mark Levine, and Sean Hannity said so...
     
  16. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2000
    Messages:
    11,048
    Likes Received:
    321
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Over a year ago is not "now."

    Do you? I can't find a more recent that says whether they're happy or unhappy.
     
  17. billwald

    billwald New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2000
    Messages:
    11,414
    Likes Received:
    2
    >Of course the US populace wants the troops home. I want my brother home.

    But you would be proud of him and the US if he was killed in a tribal war which has ben on going for 1500 years? I'd rather see my grandkids leave for Canada when the US runs short of volunteer cannon fodder.
     
  18. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,914
    Likes Received:
    706
    I'm proud of my brother for serving our country.
     
  19. Robert Snow

    Robert Snow New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    4,466
    Likes Received:
    3
    I wonder how much the GI benefits factor into his service? I'm not doubting his giving and putting himself in harm's way, but when I was in my late teens, I knew many who enlisted in order to get help with college and in buying a house after their service was over.
     
  20. targus

    targus New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Messages:
    8,459
    Likes Received:
    0
    It is not uncommon for some to ascribe their own motives onto others that they do not know.

    Your statement is perhaps more a reflection of your own value system than it is anything else.
     
Loading...