In response to Promise Keepers, please evaluate the following:

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  1. Daniel David

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    Below are two articles that are very short that address the primary concerns with groups such as Promise Keepers. The idea in and of itself is noble. The way it is carried out though is what is so dangerous. If you do not read the following articles, please do not respond. This is for those who desire a serious discussion only. The organization where the articles are taken is the Fundamentalist Baptist Fellowship. This is not a thread on them and anything not relating to this particular thread will be deleted or edited.

    Promise Keepers article 1

    Promise Keepers article 2
     
  2. Johnv

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    The site you linked to is not active. Having followed the links and not found anything disturbing, I see nothing wrong with Promist Keepers.
     
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    Don't know why you could'nt link up with sites provided,but yes they are active and yes there is plenty wrong with the Promise Keepers.The first thing that I heard from the get go from McCartney was (it starts out good)that we need to thank the Lord for our pastors,and with that I agree but then he went on to say that without our pastors to interpret Scripture we would be lost .Now I don't know what you think of that statement but why is he telling men that they are too ignorant to understand the word of God without having a pastor to tell them what the word of God says? And sitting on the platform with him and agreeing with what he was saying were men like Joe Stohl from Moody Bible,Jack Hayford,Chuck Swindol and representatives from the Mormon church and Catholic church as well.Now that's what I call a really diverse group!Nothing like fellowshipping with cults. :confused: And you find nothing wrong with them? :confused:
     
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    Thanks for the articles. Sorry, there was nothing to me. Ecumenism has always led in this direction. It was wrong in the beginning with the World Council of Churches, and it is wrong to-day.

    My experience with anything coming out from the Vineyard organization leads to division, wrong thinking and men doing anything but spiritual growth.

    I would rather support such organizations as the Gideon's International. These men remain loyal to their local churches, distribute God's word and get involved in personal witness and personal counselling with other men.

    Prison ministries do so much work beyond the prison gates, it is unbelievable. These folk also build the local church.

    I said in another post, I know a man who travelled at least 250 miles each and every Sunday to attend a Promise Keeper's event. I am not sure what he would list as his home church.

    The Lord ordained one institution on earth; the local church, and anything that takes away from that gets little support from this preacher.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Hello Brutus,

    I have attended several PK events in GA, TN, VA, Washington, D.C., and NC since 1995. I have never seen a Mormon on the platform or included in the list of conference speakers. Who is this Mormon leader that you say was on the PK platform?

    Likewise, why would we as evangelical Christians mind if Roman Catholic men attend a PK event and hear the truth of God's Word both from the Evangelist who preaches on the first night of a two-day conference and from the evangelical men that surround them in the audience?

    PK does not claim or wish to replace the church in the lives of men. They do want to come along side the local church and provide events and resources that enable Christian men to see God's call for them to be the spiritual leaders in their homes, churches, and workplace. Now, do some guys take the PK thing to seriously and even get so involved that they slight their local church? Yes, sadly that happens. However, PK never encourages such behavior. When local churches and pastors begin to focus more on training men to be the spiritual leaders that God calls them to be there will be no need for PK. Until then I say (if you are a pastor) use the PK momentum to get the attention of the men in your church and then while they are still excited about the experience mold them into the spiritual leaders of your church (under your teaching).
     
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    Okay, the links are working now. DOn't know why they weren't before. FBF is a fundamental organization, and these articles are editorial opinions, not news stories, about PK. I give them no more or less weight than anyone else's opinion on the matter. Bottom line, if you're against multi-denominational forums, you're going to be against PK. Since I'm not, I'm not.
     
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    Bibleboy; I watched the entire first day of the D.C. rally and distinctly remember a Mormon being recognized on the platform,I cannot remember his name,sorry. As for Catholics attending the rally,I have no problem with that.What I do disagree with is having men on the platform who doctrinally disagree and stand there and tell you that the only thing that matters is that we have Jesus in common. Brutus
     
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    Hello Brutus,

    When you say that you "watched the entire first day of the D.C. rally and distinctly remember a Mormon being recognized on the platform...," to which ralley are you referring? Was it a Men Conference at RFK Statium, or the "Stand in the Gap: A Sacred Assembly" in October 1997?

    I was at the "Stand in the Gap." I one of 1.4 million Christians on the Mall in D.C. I arrived about 6:30 AM and stayed all day and did not leave until the last speaker was finished. I can tell you that no Mormons were on the platform that day. If there had been, I would walked out because they do not worship the same God, the same Jesus, or the same Holy Spirit that I worship. Likewise, I have never seen a Mormon speaker at any other PK event that I have attended over the past 7 years.
     
  9. Daniel David

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    Felluz, this is a thread to interact with the articles that were listed in the first post. Please keep your takes to something along those lines.
     
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    These articles are very well written and to the point of the exact issues with PK that my husband and I have had some concerns over...I guess we need to all sit back,evaluate everything from a scriptural point of view,instead of man's ideas,and we will clearly see the areas of concern. There are exact scriptures that teach what a godly man is supposed to be,do we need an emotional conference based on Jesus as the lowest common denominator to motivate us,or is Holy scripture sufficient?

    I'm all for conferences where real biblical teachings occur...where the standard is high,fundamnetal to Holy scriptures,but these do not fit what I think most men need,a real dose of God's word,taught from a local church or through in depth bible studies....many other great options out there! Let's focus on what is BEST!

    My husband has attended 2 of these long before we saw any red flags,now he says what men really need is the depth of God's word permeating their lives daily.

    Thanks for letting me contribute to this. I think preach the Word is bold to make a stand on God's word. We should listen to wise counsel.
     
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    Why do we need other groups when Christ is sufficient? I would like to say that if Jesus is put first and those who say they want to serve Him actually obey Him, we would be getting a lot more done FOR Him.
     
  12. Daniel David

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    Molly, g_1933, thank you for recognizing the point. That is exactly what it is about.

    If men were in the Word (on their own), were spiritual leaders (which they are commanded to be), could understand and communicate about basic theology (which they are commanded to do), the rest would fall into place. He wouldn't need to go to some interfaith rally to be a better husband/father. He would already be that model husband/father. What in the world are these guys thinking?

    The gospel is totally exclusive. When people lay that exclusivity aside in favor of some other reason (family in this case) to rally together, they are deeming that more important. This is exactly the same error of Dobson (who is also pro-catholic) and his crew.

    Btw, I don't have to hug or hold hands with another guy of another group and say we love Jesus and that is all that matters.

    God has a biblical role for men and women. The two are never to be mixed.

    Out like the Bible for the PK fad.
     
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    I am against ecumenism. I am against the catholic church. So as surprising as it may be, I am against PKs.
    I think a husband could keep his promise to his wife better by being with his wife than a bunch of men. Why should Christian men have to go to these meetings to make promises, I thought that was what wedding vows were. Again I am not for yoking up with catholics or other such cults.
     
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    You people make me sick. :mad: Do you think if Christ walked the earth today, he would be at a PK conference? Let's see, thousands of men, who want to worship God, and learn how to be better church members, husbands and fathers. NAAHHHH! No way Christ would want to teach in front of that group! :confused:

    You people are so separatist, it amazes me that you even use the internet! After all, do you know where all those telephone lines go?!?! :eek:
     
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    Actually, there is a threat of ecumenism there if the pulpit/podium is shared with non-believers or folks from other "sects". I have been to two of them and did not hear anything unscriptural said. If Catholics, Pentecostals, etc will come and learn fine. They are all welcome in my church, but they will not influence what comes across the pulpit. The day they let a priest or Liberal on the platform they are done. I have not kept up with them so I do not know what is going on with them.

    As to the preacher thing I always tell my people to check the Word and not just quote me.
     
  16. Dr. Bob

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    God built His Church. Didn't build His para-church organizations to do a bunch of things because the church has "failed".

    Whole premise is flawed. Ecumenicism leads to the destruction of standards and biblical truth for the sake of unity. NOWHERE does unity "trump" purity of faith and contending for truth!

    I have nothing to do with PK. A great number of the people "worshiping" there are not born again (and would say so) and such a mixed multitude always brought the judgment of God.

    Do members of my church attend? Sure. That is their decision and freedom in Christ. Love being a Baptist that actually teaches soul liberty and freedom from legalism.
     

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