In the big picture of things....

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  1. SaggyWoman

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    what difference does it make what "race" is married to what "race", as long as both know and follow Christ?
     
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  3. Watchman

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    Ditto!
     
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    Gal. 3:
    28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


    The only difference which I concern myself with is between those who are saved and those who are not.

    A servant of Christ,
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    I think the standard sarcastic punchline here is, "What planet are you from?" (No offense intended so don't hurt me.) :D
    Should it make a difference? No. not in an ideal world.
    DOES it make a difference? Yes. because we are not in an ideal world.
    Ask any interracial couple if they have experienced any negative treatment as a direct result of their marriage and I am sure the answer will be "Yes", some mild, some moderate, and some severe. It is unfortunate and it is wrong but, it IS there. The same would be true of their children and that is totally unfair because they did not choose to take this path of potential difficulty.
    It doesn't make any difference to me personally because I am colorblind (both literally and figuratively) and the more people come to realize that it SHOULDN'T make a difference the better but, until it is 100%, there will continue to be a difference.
     
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    None to me Saggywoman, and none to God, from what the Bible says. A fine example was with Moses and Miriam.

    Sherrie
     
  7. Istherenotacause

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    The "problem" isn't with God, or godly people, but only with people in general. The problem is that it "looks" different and is offensive to both races of the couples. The real big problem is when God's people turn a cold shoulder to those souls precious enough for Jesus to bleed and die for, including themselves. So the reproof would be that the "world" accepts this interacial stuff above the usual attitude.

    I agree it's wrong according to the LORD dividing the races at the Tower of Babel, because it's the world's way of "building" another tower to reached truth that really is unattainable any other way except through Christ. That's the key: Through Christ!

    I look at it this way, people do marry interacially, but they have souls, and so do their children, all in need of the Saviour! So who am I to deny them the chance to receive the Lord? Do I condemn them? NO! John 3:17 But do I agree with interacial marriage? NO! it causes unnecessary turmoil in the lives of those directly and indirectly affected.

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  8. Tim

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    God divided the languages at Babel--no mention of "races" there or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter. The divided people formed nations. Under the New Covenant, those national divisions are no longer significant.

    While there may be social stigmas associated with so-called "interacial marriage". If two differently-colored people believe God wants them together--so be it! But they must be willing to live with the stigmas.

    In Christ,

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    The "stigmas" as you call them derived from the separation of the races along with the confounding of languages. Geographical and historical proofs show this. Although modernism does try to substanciate the ideal of there not being a separation of races.
     
  10. Tim

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    O.K., what is the biblical definition of a "race"? Are Jews and gentiles of different races? Barbarians and Scythians? How are we supposed to be separated? And what does Paul mean when he says God made men all of one blood?

    In Christ,

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    Sorry to get your dander up, Tim. I was referring directly to the Tower of Babel where the LORD confounded the languages of men causing them to all go their separate ways and populating the far reaches of the Great Divide.

    Epidemiology has substanciated proof that the color of one's skin is directly related to their climate and habitat. This also would agree with the dispersing of man due to the judgement passed down from the Throne Of God at Babel. So it would be the result of what God has done to separate the races, by language and skin color and also the stature along with the shape of the skull as well. These scientific facts can't be denied.

    I understand your point in the realm of the New Testament, also the "un-confounding" began at Pentecost. It's not just a matter of social opinion, but also what the LORD separated by the distinctions mentioned above.

    Application to what you refer to as Scythian, Jew, Gentile, Greek, Barbarian, bond or free, is not speaking of racial distintives, only saying that there is no difference between any one of them, that all men everywhere need to be saved by grace, and by grace alone. This should answer your question concerning the mention of all men being of one blood; all men are born with polluted blood through the lineage of Adam, excepting Jesus because Adam isn't His father .

    Also, Moses marrying the Ethiopian wasn't necessarily right, you can't justify interacial marriage just because he did. (not saying you said this,o.k.? but some one else did.)

    Moses did some things that God did not approve of, a simple look at his life will prove so.

    I've heard many arguements from both sides on the matter of interacial marriage, I agree it is both offensive to both races and the result of lust and not Divine choosing of a mate as the Lord has given example by Adam and Eve.

    So maybe we should dig deeper into this subject and determine when and where the differences in skin color, etc. began. Did Adam and Eve have all these triats in them? NO, it all began at the Tower of Babel as due to the judgement of God. Did it begin with Noah, his wife and their three sons and their wives? Couldn't have, they all were the decendents of Adam and Eve, so it would have to be the result of God's judgement at the Tower of Babel, there is no other sensible or credible explaination.
     
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    My bride of 33 years and I are of totally different races.

    I'm from Mars and she's from Venus. :eek:

    [John Gray told me to say that!]
     
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    Is this like the Time Machine by H.G. Wells...where sometime in the distant future the human race split into two distinct and seperate races?

    Now if you want to call it something other than racial diversity...How about Ethnic or culteral diversity or epidermal pigmentation variation? Then the question would at least be accurate, although still stupid in my opinion.

    If every person decided not to be a part of this antiquated attitude that depending on the amount of pigmentation in a person's skin they are somehow different, it would eventually cease to exist.

    Human beings, no matter their location, financial status or physical characteristics...are all part of the same race...the human race.

    Should a person who is different in any way to another person marry? Why not?...it's not like we're talking about people marrying giraffe or goldfish is it? The Bible says not to be people pleasers. This question seems to surmise that we should please people. The thing is...it's impossible to please everyone. We can only try to please God. There are many people in the Bible that pleased God, who married people outside of who would be considered to be the same in color. Look at Moses, David, Joseph. I mean really...let's be realistic. This idea of racial diversity not allowing marriage certainly wasn't something that came from God. It's a contrivance of man.

    [ May 05, 2003, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]
     
  15. Tim

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    ITNAC,
    No dander here. But it seems unreasonable to me to declare all interracial marriages offensive and lust-driven. God's purpose in separating mankind at Babel has long since been fulfilled. For generations now, people of different ethnic backgrounds have been joining together for different purposes, within nations and in marriage. Did God say they shouldn't? I don't see that anywhere, unless we're still somehow applying the instructions which led to dispersion at Babel to people all over the world today.

    However, I think that political liberals do like to push interracial marriage, and here's my theory why they do: Because they like to encourage young adults to do it aginst their parents' wishes, to prove they aren't racists like their parents supposedly are--thus creating more tension within families and between the "races". Sustained racial tensions work to further empower liberal politicians, as do strained relationships within families. Divide and conquer. If your family forsakes you, the government will take you up. Possible? Just my political theory.

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
  16. Istherenotacause

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    Tim, your politics are right. That's exactly the guise behind it all, that is the "pushing" of the ideal of inter-racial marriage. It's liberal agenda, smothered in socialism.

    I've only given the facts until now, I haven't given my stance on the subject, except that people do inter-racially marry, and those same people have eternal souls that will either spend eternity in Heaven or hell.

    I live in an area where much division over black and white, doesn't mix well. Yep! it's Georgia! This area is one of the "fronts" in the battle that rages over biggotry and hatred, racial injustices,etc.

    There was even a "big" church locally that promoted inter-racial marriages, even to the point of having dating services and selling and building housing to accomodate them at a discounted rate of interest and price. Went real big for a few years until the pastor was found out to be a whoremonger. (Wonder what that might implicate?)

    I know it's all part of society and I really can't change the world, so do I accept it? Yes. Do I approveof it? No.

    The church where we were for 91/2 years was predominantly white, all white actually, but we did have fellowship with a couple of IFB black churches, still do. Great fellowship at that! We all agree that we should preach it as to remain separate as to not conform to what the world is "pushing". One time I remember our old pastor saying,"It's allright to fellowship, but they belong in their church and we belong in ours. Now I thought how wrong that really was, and I began to pray that the LORD might show him different. He did! A black lady immediately started visiting, wasn't long she got saved! Wasn't much longer her two eldest sons got saved! Not long after that her youngest son got saved! Then Prasie the LORD! Her husband got gloriously saved!!
    I hate to even say this, but many still in the church are "bent" because they're afraid one of the young white ladies are going to end up marrying one of these young black men. It's a matter of disunity, but if you want to know more, this lady and her husband are two of the most sweetest Christians I know. Her oldest boys are offended at the church but praise God they still come. These things need to be handled much more tenderly than many realize .

    My hope and prayer is that we all receive more light in this area and not cave in to any social demands, whether political or just plain ethical.

    Many things are "unchangables", but some things are a matter of choice. I choose to serve the LORD!
     
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    oh please, what a load of nonsense. Do you have any evidence of this at all?
     
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    oh please, what a load of nonsense. Do you have any evidence of this at all? </font>[/QUOTE]If you please, I made direct reference to this very thing in the post to which you reply. Look into it for your self, I'm not making it up. The particular "church" is located in Decatur , Ga. Had it's own shopping mall exclusively for it's members. For proof you can search the archives of the Atlanta Journal Constitution in the religious section, at AJC.com.
     
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    And one church does not a widespread liberal "mixed marriage" takeover make. :rolleyes:
     
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    And one church does not a widespread liberal "mixed marriage" takeover make. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]Neither does one person's opinion in any area.(unless they are the only one who can see the avalanche coreening down the mountain.) It does reflect exactly the motive though.

    I believe it has to do more with the continual acceptence, a little at a time ,that designates it as subtility, and we all know who is more subtle than any other creature in the garden, don't we?
     

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