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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by FollowTheWay, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. kyredneck

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    Excuse me as I refuse to accept YOUR defining of "God's interest and God's declarations".
     
  2. steaver

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    It's all right there in the scriptures.....I could post them all but it would take up a few dozen pages of space....you could just study them and see.
     
  3. kyredneck

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    Show me in the scriptures where it is unChristian of me to be critical of this political entity that goes by the name 'Israel'.

    This entity would not even exist were it not for extreme pressure from the dispy evangelicals on politicians such as Truman some 75 years ago. It's eerily similar to the Hebrews in the wilderness that demanded of Aaron to make them the Golden Calf.

    It was wile & guile, hook & crook, and outright treason by prominent U.S. Zionists that precipitated 'Israel's' creation.
     
  4. steaver

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    Dear brother,

    Israel exist as a nation as it does due to the sovereignty of the LORD. And when the LORD said He would scatter them He did so. And when the LORD said He would gather back together into their land He promised them He did so. You would do well to respect what the LORD has done and is doing in the nation of Israel and love them as He does, not their sins, but their existence as God's chosen nation for His promises to the world forever. One day you will live in Israel along with Jesus Christ and many, many Jewish Christians as one nation under God before all other nations of the world.
     
  5. StefanM

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    It's simply called not being a dispensationalist.
     
  6. steaver

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    So you are saying you do not believe God orchestrates events to happen in times which He has predetermined? The alternative to that is God is just watching us to see what will happen next.
     
  7. InTheLight

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    Excellent example of a false choice. Kudos.
     
  8. StefanM

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    It means that I believe that the current state of Israel has no theological significance.
     
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    Well, one option is going to be proven wrong someday, and till then I'm just gonnna believe what He spelled out in His word.
    If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. No regrets, no hard feelings.
    Ditto if I'm right!:)
     
  10. steaver

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    That would be the latter.....
     
  11. steaver

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    Fill free to share your choices......
     
  12. StefanM

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    You're free to hold your opinion about my opinion.
     
  13. steaver

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    dis·pen·sa·tion·al·ism
    noun
    CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY
    1. belief in a system of historical progression, as revealed in the Bible, consisting of a series of stages in God's self-revelation and plan of salvation.
    So you do not believe the bible reveals an historical progression of God's self-revelation and a plan of salvation???
     
  14. Revmitchell

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    Yea there is nothing true about this post. This is what happens when we try to explain the unexplainable. We think we are smarter than we are. How do we resolve the tension between Man's free will and God's sovereignty?

    Answer: We don't. Its a paradox and should only be understood that way. Just as it is a paradox that we understand that we must lose our lives to find them. Just as it is a paradox that we must humble ourselves to be glorified. God's ways and thoughts are not our ways and thoughts.

    People keep trying to speak above their pay grade and it creates all kinds of false ideas and doctrines. We are not as smart as we like to think we are.
     
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  15. steaver

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    Not sure what you mean is not true....
     
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    Old. Who cares? He had them.

    You made my point for me.

    Now we can go back to ignoring them.
     
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    I care, and a myriad of others like me. Neocon Bush LIED. These 'WMDs' were absolutely no threat to the U.S. and certainly no justification to plunge us 6 trillion more into this debt chasm we're in. No matter how vehemently you hard right wingnuts want to defend him, Dubya gets the blame for the vacuum he created that brought about ISIS, not Obama.
     
  18. kyredneck

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    As I said in post #58, what you REALLY mean is:

    "Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us."

    Excuse me as I take no part in such stupidity.
     
  19. steaver

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    Do you realize that you have created your own quote and then call it stupid? Enough said......
     
  20. steaver

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    Bush said that the CIA said Iraq had WMDs. How's that a lie??
     
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