It seems that most Christian denominations recognize that when a person receives salvation through faith in Jesus, at that moment the Holy Spirit automatically comes to dwell in the person's heart. I can post many scriptures to prove this..but since most of us agree on that I will not at this time. I will post this about most of the scriptures we can find.. In Old Testament times, God promised that He would someday make a new covenant with the Jews, and this new covenant would involve the forgiveness of sins (Jeremiah 31:31-34). Jesus instituted the New Covenant with His blood which He shed on the cross ( Luke 22:14-20), and passages such as Romans 15:27, Ephesians 2:11-19, and 3:4-6 tell us that Gentiles ( non-Jews) can share in the blessing of salvation through faith in Jesus. This is important because it means that salvation and the indwelling Holy Spirit are available to everyone (both Jews and Gentiles). When we are forgiven of our sins under the New Covenant, God sprinkles "clean water" on us (referring to the "living water" of the Holy Spirit) and cleanses us from all impurities (Ezekiel 36:25-27). We are also told that God will put His Spirit in us and move us to obey Him (Ezekiel 36:25-27). This is the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is only given to those who have received salvation through faith in Jesus. Jesus told the woman at the well that He will give people "living water" which will become a spring of water welling up to eternal life (John 4:10-14). John 7:37-39 explains that this "living water" is the Holy Spirit, who is only given to those who believe. Jesus said that after He goes away, the Counselor (the Spirit of truth) will be sent to us and will teach, guide, and remind us of Scriptural truths (John 14:26, 16:7-8, and 12-15). This is the indwelling Holy Spirit. In Romans 8:9-15, 1 Corinthians 2:12-14, 3:16, and 6:11, the apostle Paul said that the Holy Spirit lives in us to lead us and give us discernment of spiritual truths and wash us and sanctify us and justify us, and so on. This is the indwelling Holy Spirit. In 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, Ephesians 1:13-14, and 4:30, Paul said that when we believed the word of truth (the Gospel of our salvation) then we were marked with a seal by having the Holy Spirit placed in our hearts as a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. This is the indwelling Holy Spirit. In Galatians 3:2, 5, and 14 (above), Paul said that we receive the promised Holy Spirit by believing what we heard (the Gospel of our salvation). This is the indwelling Holy Spirit. In 1 John 2:27 and 4:13-16, the apostle John said that we have an anointing in us which teaches us about all things ( the Holy Spirit of truth), and John said that God's Spirit lives in us. This is the indwelling Holy Spirit. In the many passages we can see that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in our hearts when we believe the Gospel of our salvation. There is no indication that the Holy Spirit might not come into our hearts at the moment of salvation, and there is no indication that the Holy Spirit might come into our hearts at any time other than the moment of salvation, and there is no indication that we need to do anything other than believe in Jesus in order to receive the Holy Spirit. This is why Christian denominations tend to say that we automatically receive the indwelling Holy Spirit at the moment when we receive salvation. Also in many passages we are told that we can recognize Jesus' true disciples by their "fruit." This is described as being obedience to God's commands, acknowledging that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who has come in the flesh, and displaying the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) by loving each other with actions and in truth. These are the things that we are told to look for as evidence that a person has received salvation. The Bible never tells us to look for supernatural manifestations as evidence of anyone's salvation. Do we agree so far?? What I would like to discuss on this thread is...Is there a difference in the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Spirit upon? Please do not turn this thread in a debate about spiritual gifts and whether they are for today or not!