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Inerrancy Poll #4

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ed Edwards, Aug 27, 2005.

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  1. -1. the Bible has errors (i.e. is NOT inerrant)

    2.0%
  2. 0. the Bible has minor errors but is still useful

    8.1%
  3. 1. The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues

    2.0%
  4. 2. inerrant on all issues like historic/scientific

    58.6%
  5. 3 .The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs

    13.1%
  6. 4. inerrant only in the KJV1611 Authorized Version

    6.1%
  7. 5. inerrant in any English translation based on the TR

    8.1%
  8. 6. inerrant in all faithful English translations

    2.0%
  9. 7.inerrant as applied by _____ (post person or group)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #28! [​IMG]

    Your vote is much appreciated!!
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #29! [​IMG]

    Your vote is appreciated!!
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Poll Results: Inerrancy Poll #4 (33 votes.)
    Inerrancy Poll #4
    [initial column - new since vote #20]:

    = -- -1. the Bible has errors (i.e. is NOT inerrant) 0% (0)
    = -- 0. the Bible has minor errors but is still useful 0% (0)
    +2 - 1. The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 9% (3)
    = -- 2. inerrant on all issues like historic/scientific 0% (0)
    +9 - 3 .The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 67% (22)
    +2 - 4. inerrant only in the KJV1611 Authorized Version 12% (4)
    = -- 5. inerrant in any English translation based on the TR 3% (1)
    = -- 6. inerrant in all faithful English translations 9% (3)
    = -- 7.inerrant as applied by _____ (post person or group) 0% (0)


    This third poll seems more centralized to
    the basic positions than the first three polls :confused: .
     
  4. Me4Him

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    I find it interesting that a majority believe the "original autographs" was "inerrant", however don't believe any translation since is "inerrant",

    Does say much for God preserving his words until "Heaven and earth" passes away.

    Mr 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

    There's a world of differences between reading a "book" called the Bible, and reading "GOD'S WORDS". :eek: [​IMG]
     
  5. TCassidy

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    So, are you saying the "book" you read, called the King James Bible, is not GOD'S WORDS?
     
  6. baptistteacher

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    Perhaps there should be another catagory between #5 & #6 --
    "Inerrant in any faithful English translation based on the TR"
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    So, are you saying the "book" you read, called the King James Bible, is not GOD'S WORDS? </font>[/QUOTE]NOPE, just the "OPPOSITE", IS God's words.

    Folks give as much "authority/accuracy" to literature written by men condemning the scriptures as they do to the scriptures in refuting their condemnation.

    To these, the bible is nothing more than "Another book", translated/written by "another man". (men)

    They don't see the "Hand of God" in inspiring it's words.

    But something is "WRONG", and it's not with God or his words.

    IF you have the "Spiritual Vision" to see "GOD" in his "WORD MADE FLESH",

    You'll have the "Spiritual Vision" to see "GOD" in his "WORD MADE SCRIPTURE".

    God doesn't give birth to any "ONE EYED CHILDREN".

    And that's a fact no one can deny.
     
  9. TCassidy

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    And just what "folks" are those? Anybody here?
    Really? Didn't men translate the KJV? I can name several of them if you don't know.
    Who doesn't?
    I know! The "something" that is wrong is your KJVOism. It just can't stand up to close scrutiny.
    I do, do you?
    I do, do you?
    Amen! God did not give birth to "ONE VERSION ONLYISM!"
    Amen! ONE VERSION ONLYISM IS NOT OF GOD!
     
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    Ed, et al.,

    I wanted a combination of 1 & 3 Inerrant in original autographs and matters of doctrine.
     
  11. Ed Edwards

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    I really don't see how that is different from
    #3 by itself.

    The idea here isn't maximize choices but to
    minimize them. If i had 100 choices and the
    current 235 voters, what would it compare.
     
  12. Me4Him

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    And just what "folks" are those? Anybody here?
    Really? Didn't men translate the KJV? I can name several of them if you don't know.
    Who doesn't?
    I know! The "something" that is wrong is your KJVOism. It just can't stand up to close scrutiny.
    I do, do you?
    I do, do you?
    Amen! God did not give birth to "ONE VERSION ONLYISM!"
    Amen! ONE VERSION ONLYISM IS NOT OF GOD!
    </font>[/QUOTE]Show me an "Error" in scripture that "YOU", "PERSONALLY", have found.

    Not one you've read about from other "books", but your own discovery.
     
  13. Gold Dragon

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    Whether the bible is inerrant or not, it is errant and fallible human beings doing the interpretation.

    I believe that those who believe they can read the bible without interpretation come up with some of the most dangerous ones.
     
  14. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Gold Dragon!
     
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    ME4Him,
    you cannot be serious. I highly doubt any of us here have claimed to find new errors on our own. The subject of textual criticism has been around for a long time, and we all learn from others. To claim that one must produce original work, when it is prolly impossible considering the amount of study done on the subject, is unfair.

    Are you trying to pretend that if TCass didnt find it himself, that it isnt a valid error? Surely not! Please explain, I must have misunderstood you.
     
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    How did you get from "Amen! ONE VERSION ONLYISM IS NOT OF GOD!" to "Show me an "Error" in scripture?"

    Let me guess. You flunked logic, didn't you?
     
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    ME4Him,
    you cannot be serious. I highly doubt any of us here have claimed to find new errors on our own. The subject of textual criticism has been around for a long time, and we all learn from others. To claim that one must produce original work, when it is prolly impossible considering the amount of study done on the subject, is unfair.

    Are you trying to pretend that if TCass didnt find it himself, that it isnt a valid error? Surely not! Please explain, I must have misunderstood you.
    </font>[/QUOTE]My point "EXACTLY", all the "errors" they claim exist are "interpretation" made by others in "Books" they have written.

    Where is the "AUTHORITY" of the Bible over these "other books"???

    2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,

    IF they believe the above verse, do they also believe that "GOD INSPIRED" errors in scripture????

    God's word made "SCRIPTURE" is as "PERFECT" as the "WORD MADE FLESH", if it's "GOD'S", it's "PERFECT".

    Jews rejected Jesus because he was from "Galilee", and "THEY CLAIMED" no prophet came from Galilee according to "SCRIPTURE".

    Joh 7:52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.

    Mt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

    Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    Would you like to "take a guess" where Jonas came from????

    People "Lean" on the understanding of other men to interpret scripture rather that the "SPIRIT" to "LEAD/GUIDE".

    And they've just about put the "HOLY GHOST" in the "UNEMPLOYMENT LINE".

    The "FALLING AWAY" is "VERY" evident.
     
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    How did you get from "Amen! ONE VERSION ONLYISM IS NOT OF GOD!" to "Show me an "Error" in scripture?"

    Let me guess. You flunked logic, didn't you?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Logic???

    How can the "LOGIC" of the "Carnal mind" correctly interpret a "Spiritual Book"???

    1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


    I think your "logic" just failed the "TEST".
     
  19. DesiderioDomini

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    No one is claiming there are errors in the bible. This is where you are refusing to see the whole picture. The KJV is a translation. It is not the original. A translation may have errors, which it does.

    Instead of burying your head in the sand, perhaps you would learn something if you would open your mind to the truth. ARE the errors existant? It seems you just want to ignore it. As christians we dont ignore truth, we embrace it. This is why KJVO is so dangerous, you yourself are proving that KJVO cares more about tradition than about truth!!! That takes us back to what we were before Luther!!

    KJVO here is intentionally playing on words. The KJV is a tranlsation, and a good one. It is not a perfect one. That has been shown to you. It is not innerrant. That has been shown to you. Will you address that? OR will you simple ignore it, change the subject, and hold dearly to your tradition?

    I pray you choose truth over tradition.
     
  20. HanSola2000

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    Listen to a teeny-bopper advise adults to "learn" something. You haven't lived long enough to give such advice.
     
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