Inerrancy Poll #4

I see I was correct.

Hansola, if the truth is the truth, then why shouldnt young and old proclaim it?

Would you care to show where my words werent truth?

Or will you run from yet another debate?

Im excited to see how you spin this one! Twirl away!

 

My point stands. You are too young to speak and give the advice you do. I have nothing to run from, your position is unBiblical and unhistorical.

 

so all you can do is call me young?

you cannot show where my words were wrong, you just have to show that I am young.

How young do you think I am?

Besides, if it was unbiblical and unhistorical, you would have no problem destroying it point by point.

Of course, you wont. You will complain about my age, and you will run away.

Do you have any facts? Or just my age?

 

You have been refuted many times, you just pretend it never happened and continue talking.

 

OK, If the KJ "ISN'T" the inspired "word of God", then "WHAT IS"??

Has God's word "Passed away"??

If it contains "errors", then "ALL SCRIPTURE" is "NOT FOR REPROOF", some of it contains "ERRORS".

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Or don't you believe that "ALL SCRIPTURE" means "exactly", "all scripture"???
(perfection of God)

Traditions?? who's "tradition" is it that God's word contains errors, God's or man's???

How can God have the power to create a universe but doesn't have the power to have a book translated "PERFECTLY" the way he wants it??

Don't you think you're missing something???

The only errors shown is other people's interpretation/understanding of the scripture,

Let me issue a challenge, not only to you, but everyone else,

ASK THE HOLY GHOST TO SHOW YOU AN ERROR IN THE SCRIPTURES


1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

If there's an error in the scriptures, rest assured, the "Holy Ghost" will make it known.

Anyone can read the words in the Bible, but only "Believers" in "God's words" can understand it, that's why it's written in "parables".

Mr 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

Don't expect DD to answer your questions! He'll just ask his AGAIN and pretend their not answered.

 

Last Sunday an Evangelist
came to our church for a series of meetings.
He has three Doctorates. He is now working on
another Masters Degree. He is going to school.
He is 64 years old. Being listed as a student
does not automaticly make one 'young'. ( It might
make you feel young?) </font>[/QUOTE]If I live to be 969, I'll still be a "Student", and still have "LOTS" to learn from the scriptures.

 

true, but when a teenybopper continues to speak as if he has lived long, as if he is drawing from a wealth of experience, then, I'm sorry, its just too much. He doesn't realize how some of his posts sound to those who are a lot older than he, and have read on this issue a long time. It doesn't mean I won't listen, but when a teenager, or someone who has barely escaped his teenage years speaks condescendingly to adults twice his age, then that's enough. It becomes time to stop and deal with it.

 

You have resorted to this since you cannot defend your position!!

You have guessed that I am a teenager, or have barely escaped my teen years, but once again you are wrong on both accounts! Would you like to tell me howold I am?

I am a student, but that does not change truth. Would you care to begin discussing the facts of this thread, rather than my age? Or is this your dsperate attempt to discredit someone instead of discuss the facts?

 

Listen junior, try following your own advice. I predicted you wouldn't answer Me4Him's questions, and you have not done so while you sit here and demand answers. You can't answer those questions becasue they upend your position, so your tactic is to pretend i don't answer yours. You ARE a young man, you are not married and you go to college. Let me guess, 21?

 

No, you are wrong. When will you admit that you were just guessing, and that you know nothing? Are you just gonna continue to try to put me down by calling me junior rather than discuss the facts?

Wow, I should really respect old guys like you!!! Your opponent isnt wrong because of facts, hes wrong because you are ticked off someone younger than you has helped destroy your arguement! I guess I can understand why you are upset....That would be embarrassing!

 

You haven't posted any facts. You almost never do. There is nothing to respond to. You speak as if you are an authority who has lived long. You speak condescedingly to others who have studied this a long time. You need that pointed out to you. Do you even PAUSE FOR A MOMENT and think about it? Apparently not. Your posting is nothing but juvenile rhetoric. I now think you are 20.

 

As for answering Me4 questions, its been like an hour. You have unanswered questions from weeks ago. Here are my answers. I sure would like to see you go back and answer questions when you are shown you havent! As it is, I was shown my oversight, and I will fix it. If only you would do the same!

Nice play on words, you guys are getting good at this!
Ok, first, the KJV is not the inspired word of God. It is a good translation of the inspired word of God, which is the ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHS.
I find this funny, because if you are claiming ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired, then, according to your definition, the NASB, NIV, NKJV are also inspired. Otherwise, you must show where the KJV is the inspired word of God. You cannot do so, since even the translators would have rejected this notion. Better yet, they DID reject this notion. Read the preface.

Scripture does not contain errors. However, translations of it can. The KJV is a translation, and it has errors. The KJV is not the original. Do you acknowledge this?

Gods word has not passed away. It can be found in the NKJV, NASB, NIV, and KJV. Im sorry God didnt chose to preserve his word in the way you wanted, but not one word has passed away. We have them all, just not in one volume. Since God never promised to preserve them in one volume, your claim that the KJV HAS to be the inspired word of God remains unfounded.

I am unaware of any place where I claimed Gods word contained errors. I do claim that translations of it quite often do. It is you who made the unfounded claim that only the KJV is Gods word, and that the KJV is 100% perfect. I made no such claim, in fact, I reject such falsehood.
As for the tradition that the KJV contains errors, even the KJV translators knew it was possible. Thats why the alternate readings and margin notes were present, because they knew there were several ways to translate passages. It is you who reject their wisdom in this matter.

He has the power. I contend he chose not to create a perfect translation in English, and the facts back it up.
On the other hand, how can God have the power to create a universe yet He doesnt have the power to create a perfect KJV the first time? ""IF"" your claim is that God intended to create a perfect KJV, then he failed miserably the first several tries. He failed by doing the following:
1). Allowing errors in the printing.
2). Chosing words/puntuations/spellings that would one day become obsolete. Surely he knew that this would one day happen.
3). Allowing the translators to include the Apochrypha in the KJV 1611.
4). Allowing the translators to include margin notes and variant readings in the KJV 1611.

Of course, God had no such intent. Otherwise, He wouldnt have failed.

Nope, I am notholding to man made tradition. I try to allow the truth to shape my beliefs, not unfounded assumptions.

I will not ask the Holy Spirit to show me errors in the scriptures. I have faith in them, which has been proven because in the past I have tried to find errors in the scriptures. I found none.

However, to claim the scriptures=17th century translation is unfounded. The scriptures are the original autographs. We have translations of them, and we have various copies of them which at times dont agree. However, I believe every word of the originals is found in those manuscripts. It is our job to seek out the truth. That is what textual criticism is. The KJV translators used the same tactic. Their decisions were different, but to say that they werent textual critics is to ignore facts. The fact that they included margin notes and variant readings is proof enough.

However, the Holy Spirit has shown me which translations to trust in the areas where they are different. He does so by teaching me to use my brain, and by following His lead. So, that is how I came to find errors in the KJV, and that is why I have found gross errors in the KJV myth.

Now I have answered. I apologize that I posted without answering.

Would you kindly return the favor by answering this?

Why did God fail to preserve his word in 1611? If one word had to be changed, whether it be by fault of translation or printing or spelling, then it wasnt done right the first time. Why would God fail so miserably if he did intend to create a perfect translation in one volume?

 

That is an great compliment. To say that my posting is in contrast with yours is very true!

I have posted my facts, you have refused to do so.

Would you kindly answer the above question as well?

Why did God fail if His intent was to create a perfect bible?

 

Let's make this "short and sweet", in your "other bibles" find:

"Day of Christ" (Rapture, Jesus is "Bridegroom")
"Day of the Lord", (Jesus's physical return, "Lord of Lords")
"Day of God" (Jesus at GWT, "King of Kings")

"His branch" (Jesus's first appearence)
"Her branch" (Jesus's next appearence)

If the proper sequence of events aren't defined, and distinguished between, prophecy can't be correctly interpreted.

The "Day of the Lord" (NIV) IS NOT the rapture.

These "other bibles" don't measure up.

"A little leaven, leaven the "WHOLE".

 

me4him,

did you even come close to answering the question?

Where?

I cant help but believe that Hans post was directed at YOU!

 

But since any text is the "word of God" according to you, are you saying the Alexandrian text is not the word of God in MAtt 10:8???? Why, that would be inconsistent!