Infiltrating the BB

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Kathy, Sep 17, 2001.

  1. Kathy

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    Why do non-Baptists try to infiltrate the BB? I'm not against fellowship, but I am against false doctrine. The rules are clear, why do they feel it necessary to try to cause problems here? If they want to talk doctrine on their beliefs, why can't they find a message board that supports their beliefs? I think that our kind webmaster has made a haven available for non-Baptists to discuss whatever they like but I do oppose this false doctrine when people are seeking wisdom and truth from a Baptist perspective (obviously, because they came to the BAPTIST Board), UNLESS they are asking in the non-Baptist/Other Religions forum, then it's free for all.

    Sorry...just sounding off...well, I'm really not sorry for speaking out against false doctrine.

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  2. Barnabas H.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kathy: Why do non-Baptists try to infiltrate the BB?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, that is a good question Kathy! Many people register and then pretend that they are Baptists and leave their posts everywhere with their own philosophy. When they are challenged with the Word of God, some of these people become defensive; some of them leash out and attack the person who offered the Biblical challenge; but a very small percentage becomes nasty and retaliate with sayings like, "You Baptists are calling yourself Christians? You are not Christians..." etc., and they use a mixture of colorful metaphors.

    We have been very open minded and courteous to people of different fate, but some take advantage of this freedom and use it destructively. I have to add here that we have a few very kind registered members, who are not Baptists, but they are deeply rooted in the Bible and they are not trying to force on you their doctrinal convictions. These people however are an exception to the rule. Now the Webmaster, the Administrators, and Moderators are trying to weed out the pretenders and place their threads into the Other Religions forum, where they belong. I myself transferred several threads in there (and promptly was chastised for it via private email and openly on the forums).

    During the time we had the FFF refugees group here, on their own forum, some of them were pretty rowdy but most of the time they knew when to desist and push no further. They had a carefree attitude, tried to outdo each other in cleverness. But there was a certain amount of camaraderie between them. They were even jested about jumping on the furniture, but throughout this rowdiness they remained disciplined. In contrast I cannot say the same about our new visitors. They become agitated for no reason, they become very personal, cannot separate the subject of discussion from the person, and they leash out with a vengeance toward anyone who try to correct them.

    What can be done in their case? Is this what you are asking Kathy? Well, we can be a light to them, but if they refuse to engage in a meaningful dialogue then we have no choice but to restrict their posts and move it to the Other Religions forum. Thanks for pointing out this prevalent problem Kathy. [​IMG]

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  3. Nicole

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    Personally I think they give us golden opportunity! ( bet they wouldn't like that!) We don't know how many people may come here looking for answers...maybe they are kinda on the fence about religion, God, heaven, hell...They may see someone post something about another religion...something that was intriguing them and had them interested...we have the opportunity to, in a loving, kind way...point out THROUGH THE BIBLE to respond. I think it's great when you get one of those in here who gets all hyper and rude....at least, I think it's great when you see his post, then you see others posting back to him, yet you can surely tell a difference. Really, by their actions alone, I think they would make people leery of them or anything that they may believe! That's just me and my demented thinking though!LOL [​IMG]
     
  4. Daughter

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kathy:
    Why do non-Baptists try to infiltrate the BB? I'm not against fellowship, but I am against false doctrine. The rules are clear, why do they feel it necessary to try to cause problems here? If they want to talk doctrine on their beliefs, why can't they find a message board that supports their beliefs? I think that our kind webmaster has made a haven available for non-Baptists to discuss whatever they like but I do oppose this false doctrine when people are seeking wisdom and truth from a Baptist perspective (obviously, because they came to the BAPTIST Board), UNLESS they are asking in the non-Baptist/Other Religions forum, then it's free for all.

    Sorry...just sounding off...well, I'm really not sorry for speaking out against false doctrine.

    Kathy
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    I'm not a Baptist, but a Christian struggling with things that my church teaches. I come here because I often read edifying topics which may eventually help me make a decision as to my direction.

    This board is different from most religious sites, which are riddled with flames, trolls and ignorance. Thankfully, I have been made welcome here.

    I have some questions I'll be asking you all (in the non-Baptist thread if I must! ;) out of a genuine need for answers.
     
  5. Ars

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    I personally think it is a grave injustice to have non-Baptists post their questions about Baptists in the "Other Religions / Non-Baptist Doctrines" forum. If they are relegated to the "Other Religions / Non-Baptist Doctrines" they are going to get opposing doctrine to what we Baptist believe.

    When posts turn toward touting their own doctrines as being the true doctrine or better doctrine, then and only then should they be moved to the "Other Religions / Non-Baptist Doctrines" section. However, we should be eager to have those of other faith's ask us questions about why we believe the way we do.

    Just my opinion.
     
  6. Nicole

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    Daughter...I am glad..it looks like your enjoying the board for what its meant for!

    Dajuid, I really don't think anyone minds others going to the various boards on this site...especially if that person is seeking knowledge...I think it starts to annoy when the person is simply seeking an argument. There is a huge different between stating ones stand on issues and attacking someone for not believing what you do. Fortunatly, from what I see, that doesn't happen very often and when it does, eventually the person antagonizing the situation finally loses interest and goes away... I guess one of the most important things is that if we post a response to someone seeking advice, it is a responsibility to make sure that what you say and give is biblical. That's all. I myself like to go in the other religion board here and there just to learn more and to aid me in knowing the different issues that are more likely to come up between certain religions, that way, I can be more prepared when I am out sharing His word! [​IMG]
     
  7. John Wells

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    I am all for "seekers" taking full part in all the forums as long as their attitude is one of learning. It is those "wolves that sneak in with sheep's clothing" and an agenda to cause disruption that needs more "security." Hey, we all need more security nowadays!

    I fully support the webmaster and the policy of this board. It's his board and just like the Boy Scouts of America have the right to say who can and who can't belong, he has the right to set and inforce his policies. This board is not meant to "debate the world." At least that's my impression of the webmaster's intent. Those who want to do that can go to "CARM" or one of the christnet newsgroups. If you really want "freak" go to one of the alt.christ* newsgroups.

    Thank you webmaster for striving for a Baptist doctrine based place to exchange thought, ideas, and grow in Christ. And thank you to all the moderators also.

    God bless!
     
  8. Brother Adam

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    Here is a question that I should ask after thinking about what was written here:

    I know where i stand doctrinally as far as basic Christian issues go- and I have choosen not to where the label "Baptist" even though I hold to the primary teachings of the Baptist church (GARBC to be more specific). BUT since I don't consider myself "Baptist" only Christian should I only post on the "other religions" forum?

    Until Next Post, Adam
     
  9. Larry

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    I got an idea.

    Have a "Seeker Page"
     
  10. Chet

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    Kathy when I read your post I thought Kathy - your the woman! [​IMG] When I read
    Brother Barnabas answer, I thought it was extremely well put and full of
    wisdom. Thanks for that answer brother. Nicole also had included some very good
    insight as well. And I agreed with Dajuid also, if anyone like Daughter
    wants to seek out truths without a vindictive motive I welcome her post as well. And as John Wells thanked the web-master I too do so as well.

    I was part of a couple of different forums in the past. Three or Four of them I was fairly active in at separate times. They were full of people who had silly ideas, and full of people with absolutely terrible doctrines. That grew tiresome fast. And stress started to kick in and then you start to wonder what’s the point? Sometimes a person just wants to have some good discussions with people who really know the Scripture and are full of knowledge and wisdom. Without the penetration of the poisonous venom that false doctrine brings. When I first found this sight, I read several post and was so glad. I thought God directed me right to this place. Webmaster this websight has to be one of the best. In comparison, it is so much better. The title “Baptist Forum” enticed me so much.
    For the reasons that Kathy mentioned. And if someone wants to scroll into the “other
    religion” section they can. Anyway this is just my thoughts. This is one of the best
    threads I have seen.

    With love,
     
  11. Nicole

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John Wells:
    I am all for "seekers" taking full part in all the forums as long as their attitude is one of learning. It is those "wolves that sneak in with sheep's clothing" and an agenda to cause disruption that needs more "security." Hey, we all need more security nowadays!

    I fully support the webmaster and the policy of this board. It's his board and just like the Boy Scouts of America have the right to say who can and who can't belong, he has the right to set and inforce his policies. This board is not meant to "debate the world." At least that's my impression of the webmaster's intent. Those who want to do that can go to "CARM" or one of the christnet newsgroups. If you really want "freak" go to one of the alt.christ* newsgroups.

    Thank you webmaster for striving for a Baptist doctrine based place to exchange thought, ideas, and grow in Christ. And thank you to all the moderators also.

    God bless!
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    aaak! John, you just reminded me that I have to get my son's uniform for scout's! He was a tiger cub last year any they just had an orange shirt with iron on patches....he's excited that he gets a "real" uniform this year....badges and all. I'm gonna have a little wolf running around here!
     
  12. Kathy

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    Adam, you totally missed the point and you answered your own question. Being "Baptist" is a doctrinal stand, which you said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"even though I hold to the primary teachings of the Baptist church..."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I have absolutely NO PROBLEM sharing with others of different religions or faiths, but when people come to cause divisions, throw accusations and totally give non-Baptist doctrine responses on a Baptist forum, it goes against the rules set forth by the creator of this board. That is the point I am trying to make. Nicole was also making the same point:
    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"I think it starts to annoy when the person is simply seeking an argument. There is a huge different between stating ones stand on issues and attacking someone for not believing what you do."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thank you Brother Barnabas for your insight and dedication. Thank you also to all of the Administrators and Moderators on this board who strive to ensure the integrity of these forums and especially to Webmaster for creating this place for us!

    Kathy
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  13. Rev. Joshua

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    The one thing I would caution people to remember is that there is no one "baptist" doctrine or theology. Although baptist churches often voluntarily associate with other churches of like theology in societies or conventions, the only thing that unites all baptists is our approach to theology, not the theology itself.

    In the hundreds of baptist churches I've visited (which are generally liturgical and liberal), many of the baptists I've encountered here would seem out of place. Likewise, in many of your churches I would seem out of place.

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  14. Dr. Bob

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    I am a Baptist by choice and conviction. It irritates me when some who openly espouse catholicism or a cult jumpo in on a thread in this or other Baptist discussion area.

    I am working my way through, simply erasing the comments. Sadly, the individual comment cannot be saved and moved; only entire threads that are inappropriate can be so moved.

    I am just wondering if some people violate rules out of ignorance or arrogance? We are certainly facing a generation that (1) can barely read the rules of this forum and that (2) believes rules are not made for them. (I live a block from the public high school. Trust me, I know this new generation!)

    And appreciate all those of "baptistic" faith and practice -- as varigated as that description might be -- who make my day brighter or more challenging by their posts here!
     
  15. John Wells

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    There is only one "doctrine or theology" - God's. It's just that no human being is smart enough to figure out what it is! ;)
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Joshua Villines:... the only thing that unites all baptists is our approach to theology, not the theology itself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If you really believe that, then you are not a Baptist.

    [ September 20, 2001: Message edited by: Pioneer ]
     
  17. Rev. Joshua

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pioneer:


    If you really believe that, then you are not a Baptist.

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    Then Walter B. Shurden, Bill Leonard, Glenn Hinson, and Leon McBeth are not baptists either, since it is their work as baptist historians that I have learned that principle from.

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  18. Daughter

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    Upon further reflection, I do agree with being against those who come to sites like these who only want to spread their false doctrine or seek to be divisive. When I first joined this site, I took the "Baptist-only" thing the wrong way and took it to mean that I couldn't make honest inquiries or post at all! (I know, sometimes I get a little over-sensitive!!)

    Again, I do find that because this is a well moderated board, there is considerably less confusion and flames than on other religious boards. Hence, I find it a safe place to ask questions.

    Grace and peace!

    [​IMG]

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  19. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kathy:
    Why do non-Baptists try to infiltrate the BB? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    What is more insidious that non-Baptists infiltrating this board are those who claim to be Baptist yet, as witnessed by their fruits, are not even believers.
     
  20. Phillip

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    Maybe the webmaster should open a section for non-believers or Christians that are not Baptist to ask questions? Otherwise, limit them from the other discussions. I do see one major problem with this and that is determining who may or may not be Baptist because I have seen good Baptists with some odd individual beliefs--which don't really take away from their Christianity, but may make them appear to be non-Baptist when they are simply a NEW or untrained Baptist speaking the way they have been taught. My wife, for example is from a non-denominational church as a young girl, but now that she is Baptist she studies the doctrine a lot--she still may not be as articulate on a Baptist doctrine as a born-and-raised (so to speak) Baptist. (I'm not saying you are born saved -- just raised in a Baptist family and never been anywhere else.) So, let us at least be careful who we eliminate. I do agree with the wolves in sheeps clothing coming in here to convert Baptists that may be insecure in their doctrine; but I think most of the moderators are wise enough to eventually figure out who is who.
     

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